Trudeau's Gun Ban and Buy Back

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Can you post a link of where he specifically mentions guns? i cant find a single thing.

I was feeling a little more positie about things today when i noticed mentions of carbon taxes and gender equity and the current divisive nature of this nation. I didn't find any mention of guns...

where does it state gun issues as the primary objective?

Or, are you just paranoid and fear mongering right now? We all need some positivity here. I have read this entire thread, and it isn't difficult for anyone to see that there is a huge divide... maybe even 3 ways amongst ourselves.

Settle down and keep your composure. I come home to do some research on this topic the past few days and refer on this thread specifically and have finally read it all (in 3 days). Some of you got to stop shrouding this potential moment in the history of our nation. Sure, i am on pins and needles as much as any of you are, but that is why we need more positivity as opposed to doom and gloom projections and speculations.

Now, anyone have a link of where he mentions the gun 'issue' ? Would like to read it. My googling skills are failing me today.

What is wrong with you......

Oh wait....

I see it.....

Yet another sleeper awakes......

And what is the message?

'NOTHING TO SEE HERE FOLKS!!!' and 'WHERE ARE YOUR SOURCES TO WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO TO YOU???'

Right up there with.......'nobody SAID THAT THOSE SPECIFIC FIREARMS ARE BEING BANNED.....yet....... '

Where have you been for the last couple of years?

Seems like you are and have missed a lot.

Looks like more than your google is failing you.

Maybe you should catch up on where things have been since 2016. ;)

Oh and I forgot.

Find your own damn secretary or google tutor. :)
 
of course he going for the guns.between him and jagmeet he has the votes to pass anything regarding firearms. getting it through the Senate will take some time. say hello to liberal version of gun control and increased carbon tax. grease them up and bury them deep. maybe when this liberal utopia takes a ####e in a generation or two our guns can come out and play again.the low hanging fruit gets picked first.thats us.
 
This exactly. Well said. All the nonsense and anger from the armchair Rambos on here is not only counter productive and harmful, it's ludicrous and makes you look ignrant and unstable. This is Canada. Nobody has a right to bear arms to defend themselves. Even the Americans only believe so because of a perverted interpretation of the intent of their own constitution. And an ammendment to it at that, not even part of th original constitution. What is needed is a cogent and articulate response to the media and public to make it clear that the proposed bans will not prevent gun crime and that it will come at a huge financial cost that will accomplish nothing. Make people understand it's a going to be a waste of their tax dollars that won't prevent criminals from getting guns and you can turn support away from it. The rest is just noise.

Time to find an other site. A special women named Wendy runs a site more suited for you. You can have a heart to heart with her, maybe your cogent articulate talk will convince her to change course. Best of luck.
 
of course he going for the guns.between him and jagmeet he has the votes to pass anything regarding firearms. getting it through the Senate will take some time. say hello to liberal version of gun control and increased carbon tax. grease them up and bury them deep. maybe when this liberal utopia takes a ####e in a generation or two our guns can come out and play again.the low hanging fruit gets picked first.thats us.

Also a logical thing if there is separatist trouble in Alberta etc to go after disarmament of civilians.
 
Yeah it's either very suspicious or very telling the number saying civil disobedience is off the table.

Many are really pissed off about this BS as am I. Some of us let the angry out. But I also find it very suspicious or very telling the number of dudes doing the "ok Rambo" insulting. Quite clear to me a large number on here are real pussies who will just hand em over and possibly even rat on others.

Very telling indeed.

You are right to be careful and concerned.

You cannot tell who is who online. It is very simple for groomers, validators, distractors, etc to function.
 
You guys should check out “the laundromat” on Netflix. It’s about money laundering and tax havens and exposes the Panama Papers. What is crazy is that the corrupt money is now in the politics.
 
„They” give us more „regulations” to obey because we have a history of obeying them.
So, here are more and more, then will be even more „regulations” to obey and sheep will obey them...
 
Hell, I'm not even comfortable with people not registering their unrestricted hunting rifles in Quebec as a "protest".

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WTF did he just say? That he's "not comfortable" with civil disobedience in the face of an unjust law? Wow, so sorry if we triggered you Flower. Didn't mean to rain on your sunny ways. But just to be perfectly clear -- there is absolutely no chance of "negotiating" a "reasonable" solution by politely making our case and hoping that the Bill Blairs of the world will say "Wow, I never thought of that. Maybe you really should be allowed to keep your guns." We're at the edge of the very precipice that gun owners in Australia and New Zealand faced before they took a collective swan dive into the abyss. And we're an easy target for a government looking to score points with an ill-informed electorate that steadfastly refuses to become informed about much of anything that doesn't affect them directly. The only way we'll come out the other side of this is by convincing the powers-that-be that proceeding down this road will cost them more political capital than it will earn them. It's simple math applied to their perceived self interest. If they can count on gun owners lining up like sheep to happily comply with the law, they have every reason to proceed with that plan. But if they begin to suspect that they're about to open a can of snakes, they'll pause and consider what they stand to lose.

So here we are, looking at asinine posts like that one, and most of us thinking that this fight would be a hell of a lot easier if we didn't have to contend with gun owners who apparently self-identify as gun grabbing Liberals. Oh well, no one said this was going to be easy.
 
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no single factor, including acquisition and possession of a weapon only for the purpose of self-defence, is determinative of the issue of guilt or innocence on a charge of possession of a weapon for a purpose dangerous to the public peace
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Having a weapon for the sole purpose of abating a breach of the peace threatened to result from an attack on the possessor is not, in my opinion, a purpose dangerous to the public peace. Self-defence, justifiable under the Code, is not confined to tooth and nail.
-- Supreme Court of Canada

(Don't take the above too far. Some of it is old. And it's unlawful to carry a concealed weapon)
 
BS. Gangbanger got off recently shooting guys with an illegal gun -- judge ruled self defense.

Yep.

(another)
In 2004, R. v. Kerr,
Accused killing fellow inmate in self-defence in knife fight in maximum security institution (prison).
Acquitted of possession of weapon for purpose dangerous to public peace on basis that he possessed his weapons for purposes of deterrence and defence.

READ THE FRAKKING DECISION BEFORE YOU POST BS.

Yep.

The 2nd Amendment, ratified in 1791, refers to the National Guard, which was created by an act of Congress in 1903.

The National Guard, funded by the federal government, occupying property leased to the federal government, using weapons owned by the federal government, punishing trespassers under federal law, is a state militia.

I had to read that thrice and apply logic before I realized it was a kind of sarcasm.
i.e. because the National Guard didn't exist until 112 years later, and all the drafters of the constitution were long dead, the National Guard could not be the reason for the 2nd Amendment.


The whole page is full of such sarcasm.

Amendments ARE parts of The Constitution.

Yep.
The 2nd amendment was a condition required to be part of the constitution before the constitution was agreed to. More accurately, in February 1788, a compromise was reached under which Massachusetts and other states would agree to ratify the 4 page constitution only with the assurance that amendments would be immediately proposed.

1775 - Revolutionary War
1776 - Declaration of Independance
1781 - war ends
1787 - constitution written
1788 - constitution ratified by 9 of 13 states, enough to pass
1791 - Bill of Rights (first 10 amendments) added to the Constitution

The absence of a "bill of rights" turned out to be an obstacle to the Constitution's ratification by the states. It would take four more years of intense debate before the new government's form would be resolved. The Federalists opposed including a bill of rights on the ground that it was unnecessary. The Anti-Federalists, who were afraid of a strong centralized government, refused to support the Constitution without one.

In the end, popular sentiment was decisive. Recently freed from the despotic English monarchy, the American people wanted strong guarantees that the new government would not trample upon their newly won freedoms of speech, press and religion, nor upon their right to be free from warrantless searches and seizures. So, the Constitution's framers heeded Thomas Jefferson who argued: "A bill of rights is what the people are entitled to against every government on earth, general or particular, and what no just government should refuse, or rest on inference."

Democracy means that people ought to be able to vote for public officials in fair elections, and make most political decisions by majority rule.
Liberty, on the other hand, means that even in a democracy, individuals have rights that no majority should be able to take away.

The rights that the Constitution's framers wanted to protect from government abuse were referred to in the Declaration of Independence as "unalienable rights." They were also called "natural" rights, and to James Madison, they were "the great rights of mankind." Although it is commonly thought that we are entitled to free speech because the First Amendment gives it to us, this country's original citizens believed that as human beings, they were entitled to free speech, and they invented the First Amendment in order to protect it. The entire Bill of Rights was created to protect rights the original citizens believed were naturally theirs.

-- ACLU​
 
The EE is depressing right now, panic selling everything on the chance a minority government has power. Also your panic selling, you can not ask $100 over retail because you added an afg
 
Yep.
The 2nd amendment was a condition required to be part of the constitution before the constitution was agreed to. More accurately, in February 1788, a compromise was reached under which Massachusetts and other states would agree to ratify the 4 page constitution only with the assurance that amendments would be immediately proposed.

Interestingly, most of the founding fathers were dead set against ANY form of standing army, because they knew it would lead to costly adventurism. (i.e. what we basically have today)

The idea of every able-bodied man over the age of 14 being able to defend himself, his family, his property and, if called on, his state and country was at the heart of that belief.

If anything, the current form of the US military is a mis-reading of the intention of the Constitution and Bill of Rights, not the 2nd Amendment.

The US didn't even get a real navy until it was forced to pay tribute to North African pirates for a few years. And it was because they decided the navy would be a cheaper investment than being held hostage financially.
 
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Isn't that the dream of every soldier, to get to pick his wars?


Imo, campaigns and actions overseas, should only ever be on a strictly volunteer basis.
 
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