Trudeau's Gun Ban and Buy Back
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Don't pay any attention to controlled fake news.
Where does it end?
Gonna give up your dog so they can euthanize it? Globalist politicians in the EU are calling for it cause you know global warming, get a robot pet
Give up your vehicle cause you know global warming crap again?
Give up your meat cause you know, cow farts huh?
Sell out your own parents, your sister or brother?
Just pulled a Ruger semi auto out of a safe here .44 magnum, pristine with 200 year anniversary stamped on it, 200 years of liberty it says, just not in #### hole Canada here eh, unless they decide to fight another war then you get your gun back to kill someone u never even met before.
Sure wouldn't count on you to watch my back when it counts.
I'm a collector, lifetime, you have any idea what i have and what it's worth even at current depressed prices?
That's my retirement fund.
I had them before any ban law, so change the rules and take them away?
No.
kgb81
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I dont beleive they will go door kicking and with minimum 2 years to comply why would anybody even bother? If they start kicking doors that will be horrible optics for them and their govt would instantly fall. For certain. Think of 2 billion dollars long registry number 1. This type of buyback and municipal bans might fly in toronto but guess what, in alberta that aint gonna work. Albertans are strong and free and its not just a slogan its inside you.
BlackWatch
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So you don’t like firearms ...they are just your rrsp?
You’ve had your collection pre 1978?
Flash
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Frak me I dislike admitting that I agree with you. Snowstorm in Hades?
Appears you haven't read the entire thread. I responded to a BS post with correction and sources. Self defense is a right in Kanukistan, and an ONTARIO judge just ruled it's ok to shoot attackers with an illegal gun.
I know the country in which I reside, thank you. Never mentioned USA as "framework" for my argument; merely corrected an anti's argument, using a source full of good points our side can use.
Nor have I ever discussed an imaginary cosmic scorekeeper here. You must be seeing things, or you've confused my post with another. And you conveniently left out the second half of my post that triggered you.
First Nations Persons have more rights than us. Caledonia for example, ain't far away in time or distance.
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It's only ok to shoot at people including police if you're a non-white criminal using a stolen gun.
OMG THIS! From Quebec here and im so ashamed what quebekers voted monday... We still elected a Conservative MP on my riding, so i have not lost everything.... Rural area are mainly conservative but unfortunately, Montreal is hardcore liberal
"STRONG and FREE" I think inside me i'm more albertans than i thoughts... I support you and your industries, and i'm seriously thinking of leaving this stupid province and go to West... quebekers vote proudly to remove their freedoms and get more taxes.... i cant believe this BS.
RK99
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You are still incorrect. We do not have any "right to bear arms" in Canada and you have the right to use "resonable force" to defend yourself. It is up to the police and courts to decide what that reasonable force is and it can vary widely from case to case. Bottom line is you have no right to own guns to defend yourself and trying to promote that mainstream Canadians will probably get you lots of sideways looks. It is not a helpful position in fighting a proposed ban. It will make you look like a paranoid wingnut.
jw8
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re-read his post, I see nothing about him saying we have a right to bear arms.
seems there's a whole lot of panty twisting happening here for some strange reason.
Neurotoxic
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Thank you to all those who chipped in with reasonable arguments. I'm admittedly new to the gun community (yeah, low post count -- shoot me, I guess), and I can feel the clash between some gun owners and what I'm used to seeing in the mainstream population. Or even with my own moderate pro-gun stance.
Have you guys ever went through the websites of Poly se souvient and the Coalitition for Gun Control? They're very influential because most of their arguments appear as common sense to a population that is largely not familiar with firearms. And some of you want to go against them by saying it's our right to carry an AR-15, or that a 10-year background check is tyranny? Yeah. Good luck with that.
Maybe it was different back in the days. Maybe we've already lost some of our privileges. No doubt it was more fun when you could open carry your handgun while racing your 68 Chevy with the local sheriff. But we're here and now. The only way out of this is not "armed resistance" or "standing your ground". Whatever you dream of accomplishing, you will end up dead or in jail. The government ultimately wins the big gun contest.
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About a decade ago, I worked for a lighting manufacturer that sold luminaires (the poles and lights by the side of the road and on the highway) to cities and governments. At some point (in the 90s iirc, before I worked there), the entire industry was faced with growing opposition in city councils and other decision-makers because it was a source of light pollution. An organisation, focused on protecting the dark sky, was lobbying everywhere they could, severely affecting the business of luminaire manufacturers.
Most companies were pissed and powerless as their sales declined.
The company I worked for decided to tackle the problem in an unusual way: they approached the night sky hippies and offered to collaborate with them to come up with viable solutions. And it worked. They developed more efficient products that were "dark sky certified", which gave them an edge on their competitors.
Diplomacy. Collaboration.
I may sound like I'm from another world, but in our day and age, it is fairly easy to reach out to inform and convince people. Social media, ad campaigns, and lobbying are all peaceful tools we should be using more effectively. That's what I do for a living and I know how powerful information can be. Breaking news: "Turdo is a POS and will come for YOUR guns" isn't how you gather support from the general population. Shouting "No Compromise" while holding a rifle won't accomplish much either in terms of diplomacy.
I hope we can all agree here that we're against violence in all its forms. And against the fact that firearms can be used to commit crimes and murders. We probably all agree also that it's important that firearms are not left in the hands of just about anybody (you wouldn't want a mentally unstable maniac target shooting right next to you at the range, would ya?).
Then let this be a framework for reasonable policies that please most of the anti-gun people and most gun owners. There is an attainable common-ground somewhere, but to achieve anything, we need to remain articulate, reasonable, peaceful, and organized. Has anyone ever reached out to Poly se souvient or to the Danforth Families for Safe Communities to discuss?
I'm asking this out of genuine curiosity. Again, I'm new to this gun thing, I can't wait to start spending some time at the range every week, and hope I get to do it for more than two years. So I'm looking for solutions.
Have you guys ever went through the websites of Poly se souvient and the Coalitition for Gun Control? They're very influential because most of their arguments appear as common sense to a population that is largely not familiar with firearms. And some of you want to go against them by saying it's our right to carry an AR-15, or that a 10-year background check is tyranny? Yeah. Good luck with that.
Maybe it was different back in the days. Maybe we've already lost some of our privileges. No doubt it was more fun when you could open carry your handgun while racing your 68 Chevy with the local sheriff. But we're here and now. The only way out of this is not "armed resistance" or "standing your ground". Whatever you dream of accomplishing, you will end up dead or in jail. The government ultimately wins the big gun contest.
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About a decade ago, I worked for a lighting manufacturer that sold luminaires (the poles and lights by the side of the road and on the highway) to cities and governments. At some point (in the 90s iirc, before I worked there), the entire industry was faced with growing opposition in city councils and other decision-makers because it was a source of light pollution. An organisation, focused on protecting the dark sky, was lobbying everywhere they could, severely affecting the business of luminaire manufacturers.
Most companies were pissed and powerless as their sales declined.
The company I worked for decided to tackle the problem in an unusual way: they approached the night sky hippies and offered to collaborate with them to come up with viable solutions. And it worked. They developed more efficient products that were "dark sky certified", which gave them an edge on their competitors.
Diplomacy. Collaboration.
I may sound like I'm from another world, but in our day and age, it is fairly easy to reach out to inform and convince people. Social media, ad campaigns, and lobbying are all peaceful tools we should be using more effectively. That's what I do for a living and I know how powerful information can be. Breaking news: "Turdo is a POS and will come for YOUR guns" isn't how you gather support from the general population. Shouting "No Compromise" while holding a rifle won't accomplish much either in terms of diplomacy.
I hope we can all agree here that we're against violence in all its forms. And against the fact that firearms can be used to commit crimes and murders. We probably all agree also that it's important that firearms are not left in the hands of just about anybody (you wouldn't want a mentally unstable maniac target shooting right next to you at the range, would ya?).
Then let this be a framework for reasonable policies that please most of the anti-gun people and most gun owners. There is an attainable common-ground somewhere, but to achieve anything, we need to remain articulate, reasonable, peaceful, and organized. Has anyone ever reached out to Poly se souvient or to the Danforth Families for Safe Communities to discuss?
I'm asking this out of genuine curiosity. Again, I'm new to this gun thing, I can't wait to start spending some time at the range every week, and hope I get to do it for more than two years. So I'm looking for solutions.
Hornychief
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At least 80% of people who are saying cold dead hands are full of it. Ultimately you will hurt the gun community by acting violent in any way shape or form. We need to be smart about this. Apparently there has been a release that they will release more info on gun ban after Nov 20th when Blair takes office. Supposed to be targetting all military style weapons
Neurotoxic: "And some of you want to go against them by saying it's our right to carry an AR-15, or that a 10-year background check is tyranny? Yeah. Good luck with that."
Not a single one of CGN people wants to assert their "right to carry" and AR-15!! You sound like a "honey glazing" liberal who distorts facts with impunity and make it sound right just because of all that sugar coating BS. Maybe some folks here mentioned that they want to have a right/privilege to OWN an AR-15, but not to carry around. And who doesn't? Why can't law abiding citizens continue to be trusted and allowed to continue to own their AR-15's (which were never used in any shootings in Canada anyway)?
We complied and complied over and over again, every time allowing establishment to take some more of our freedoms (didn't you read all RangeBob's articles in his comments? I assume you have carefully read all the comments in this thread.
Not a single one of CGN people wants to assert their "right to carry" and AR-15!! You sound like a "honey glazing" liberal who distorts facts with impunity and make it sound right just because of all that sugar coating BS. Maybe some folks here mentioned that they want to have a right/privilege to OWN an AR-15, but not to carry around. And who doesn't? Why can't law abiding citizens continue to be trusted and allowed to continue to own their AR-15's (which were never used in any shootings in Canada anyway)?
We complied and complied over and over again, every time allowing establishment to take some more of our freedoms (didn't you read all RangeBob's articles in his comments? I assume you have carefully read all the comments in this thread.
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And the split between the AR15 guys that want help, and the 300 bolt guys that don't want to be involved, will start to teeeeeeaaaaaaarrrrr right apart.
The anti's bit off more than they could chew last time. This time, they have isolated just the right mouthful.
Expect a whole whack of duck hunters and once a year shooters to see the fight that's on our doorstep, and pre-emptively excuse themselves from it.
Make no mistake, anyone saying something like:
- "Cold dead hands crowd are idiots" or
-"We don't even have a right to bare arms in Canada". Or
-"all this machismo and tough guy talk is re-syncing my mensies"
Is really saying, "your AR15 is your problem, sucker"
Let's be honest about this, eh?
I will concede that "AR guys" need to soften up a bit; but at the same time, the duck hunters need to grow a pair.
Maybe meet in the middle somewhere, or focus on our common ground. (diversity is strength, right? :/)
The anti's bit off more than they could chew last time. This time, they have isolated just the right mouthful.
Expect a whole whack of duck hunters and once a year shooters to see the fight that's on our doorstep, and pre-emptively excuse themselves from it.
Make no mistake, anyone saying something like:
- "Cold dead hands crowd are idiots" or
-"We don't even have a right to bare arms in Canada". Or
-"all this machismo and tough guy talk is re-syncing my mensies"
Is really saying, "your AR15 is your problem, sucker"
Let's be honest about this, eh?
I will concede that "AR guys" need to soften up a bit; but at the same time, the duck hunters need to grow a pair.
Maybe meet in the middle somewhere, or focus on our common ground. (diversity is strength, right? :/)
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Steve_B
CGN Regular
Poly and the Danforth group have refused to speak to any gun owners claiming we’re all trolls and agents of the NRA.
Despite this the invitation has been made by CCFR (and probably others) and remains open... and ignored.
Their position is simple: all gun ownership is a threat to public safety and must be terminated.
If you think they’re open to compromise you’re in for a surprise. Their strength is emotion and fear, you can’t negotiate with someone you claim is the bogeyman.
Despite this the invitation has been made by CCFR (and probably others) and remains open... and ignored.
Their position is simple: all gun ownership is a threat to public safety and must be terminated.
If you think they’re open to compromise you’re in for a surprise. Their strength is emotion and fear, you can’t negotiate with someone you claim is the bogeyman.
Forester1986
Member
The “right to bear arms” doesn’t have to be granted by government for it to still be a “natural/god given” right. No one is forcing you to to be able to defend yourself, so by all means, feel free to continue to worry whether or not the uneducated populace agrees with you on the importance of firearms. Also, you say that you have the right to use “reasonable force” to defend yourself in Canada, but don’t fool yourself into thinking the government actually supports that, because if they did, they wouldn’t outlaw non-lethal means of self defence (mace, stun gun etc). Only people who are able bodied and of equal or similar size strength to their attackers, have a reasonable hope of defending themselves in Canada. The rest can only hope they aren’t the sheep who gets picked off by the wolves because criminal element isn’t going away. People in this country already cower away from the dark alleys and parks at night because they can’t effectively defend themselves.
RK99
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I don't think you undestand how laws and democratic societies work then. "Natural/God given" rights don't apply. Which God? Which religion? We have a separation of church and state for a reason. And in order to keep societies made up of large groups of individuals functioning with some semblance of order and civility we have laws made by people, not gods. In Canada we have laws and rights and nowhere in any of those do you have a "right" to own guns. In Canada it is a privelege that comes with requirements and restrictions. That's how the majority of canadians wanted it and that's how it is and that's what we have to work with. So if you want to maintain said privelege you need to be able to present reasonable arguments and conditions to allow that. Threats, anger and promoting civil disobedience won't get you anywhere.
Neurotoxic
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Whenever I see these arguments, I remember how it went with my wife when I brought up the idea that I wanted to have my RPAL and buy a handgun.
She doesn't know anything about guns other than: they're dangerous and she doesn't like them. We just had a kid. She doesn't like violent movies. What's going on in the States on a regular basis scares her. She doesn't find it's "manly" to shoot a big gun.
Right off the bat, my chances were near zero.
I had to take some time. Bring up the subject casually. Explain concepts. Explain how strict it is, how safe guns can be when handled properly. Compare with race cars -- they're fun, but they don't belong in the street and it's like with guns, I'll go to the range. I had to be patient. I had to be open to discussion. Most importantly, I had to be ready to reach a compromise.
Just saying it's my right wouldn't have worked. Defending the house isn't a valid argument when the gun is supposedly properly stored in a locked room with a trigger lock -- if that gun is easily accessible in an emergency, our kid could find a way to get to it. She's not dumb either and knows we must live with each other in society -- pretending I have some virile natural right to own guns that surpasses our common laws would have made her laugh.
Now, you see, my wife's view isn't uncommon. And if you plan on using inflexible, hardcore arguments in public in an attempt to protect your privileges, you will fail.
If, ultimately, our goal is to preserve our privilege to own guns and take them to the range or hunting, we need to be ready to accept filling out some more paperwork, go through more rigorous background checks, and tone down quite a bit when we discuss our hobby.
But if this is all about defending non-existing god-given rights, or if you think the Liberals are a tyranny, then I'm out and wish you well on your future BB-gun endeavours.
She doesn't know anything about guns other than: they're dangerous and she doesn't like them. We just had a kid. She doesn't like violent movies. What's going on in the States on a regular basis scares her. She doesn't find it's "manly" to shoot a big gun.
Right off the bat, my chances were near zero.
I had to take some time. Bring up the subject casually. Explain concepts. Explain how strict it is, how safe guns can be when handled properly. Compare with race cars -- they're fun, but they don't belong in the street and it's like with guns, I'll go to the range. I had to be patient. I had to be open to discussion. Most importantly, I had to be ready to reach a compromise.
Just saying it's my right wouldn't have worked. Defending the house isn't a valid argument when the gun is supposedly properly stored in a locked room with a trigger lock -- if that gun is easily accessible in an emergency, our kid could find a way to get to it. She's not dumb either and knows we must live with each other in society -- pretending I have some virile natural right to own guns that surpasses our common laws would have made her laugh.
Now, you see, my wife's view isn't uncommon. And if you plan on using inflexible, hardcore arguments in public in an attempt to protect your privileges, you will fail.
If, ultimately, our goal is to preserve our privilege to own guns and take them to the range or hunting, we need to be ready to accept filling out some more paperwork, go through more rigorous background checks, and tone down quite a bit when we discuss our hobby.
But if this is all about defending non-existing god-given rights, or if you think the Liberals are a tyranny, then I'm out and wish you well on your future BB-gun endeavours.
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