True or False: subsonic pistol ammo out of a carbine will not make you deaf...

FYI tinnitus, the persistent ringing that you get in your ears that sounds like the government's beaming mind control rays into your head, really, really sucks. Protect your ears. All day, every day, "Eeeeeeeeeeeeeee!" like some demonic electrical feedback loop.

I could not have said it better myself. I was young and stupid once and believed that my .22 lr rifle was not too loud. I would spend whole afternoons shooting hundreds of rounds with no hearing protection.

Today, I have that constant ringing in my ears, I make people repeat 3 times and most of the time read lips so I can understand what they are saying. I find it frustrating. My wife finds it frustrating. Even my 7 year old daughter finds it frutrating.
 
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I've shot for....45 years? give or take. I retired from the aviation industry 5 years ago after 36 years around airplanes. Ear protection when outdoors around airplanes; always was mandatory, always wore them...ALWAYS. Shooting? Not always mandatory to wear them, but I did 90% of the time outdoors, 100% indoors. I also had to maintain a medical licence for 36 years which involved a hear test annually, so there is very little subjective opinion in my situation. at 59 years old, my hearing loss is in the upper 25% of the age group. I have never once, in all that time, had an audiologist even hint that my loss was normal; They all have said that a combination of airplanes and guns is the result of my hearing being what it is. Sort of an "occupational/recreational" hazard, I quess.

You have to decide what your risk tolerance is. Not being able to hear well sucks. Wearing a hearing aid sucks. Ain't no big deal, but it does suck. I could have avoided much of it by not shooting, and working around something not as loud as airplanes. If you shoot regularly for years, you WILL experience permanent, irreversible hearing loss. Permanent. Irreversible. How much is dependent on a ton of other factors, but you will develop hearing loss. If you want to shoot subsonic pistol ammo out of a carbine, You'll likely find it "seems" quieter. My JRC 9mm with 115 gr. Remington sure "seems" to be. I still wear in ear foams, and active electronic muffs with it, every round. It doesn't make any real difference in my mind whether you're shooting subsonic, supersonic, maybe not even hypersonic if you can find something that fast; you'll screw your hearing eventually.

Now, do you want to be a perfectly preserved Dead guy when they plant you, or do you want to be a dead guy that looks like he enjoyed life and did what he did for enjoyment, knowing and accepting the risk to his physical well-being long term. There's the bigger question
 
Apparently subsonic ammo out of a carbine is about 140db (eg. 147gr 9mm). By comparison, a 9mm 115gr out of a handgun is about 160db. A .223 out of a carbine is also 160db. Every 10db represents a doubling of loudness, so the handgun/223 rifle is "4x louder" than the pistol carbine shooting subsonic ammo, supposedly.

Now 140db is definitely at the loudness level to cause damage, but significantly less damage than a 223 rifle.

My question is: in real life - what is your experience with shooting subsonic pistol ammo out of a carbine? I've heard some people say it's surprisingly quiet (compared to a rifle round out of a rifle), and some people say there's no difference.

What is your experience?

I'm not sure where you got those numbers, but a .223 from a rifle and a 9mm from a pistol are not the same... The .223 is considerably louder

the db scale is logarithmic. 10db represents a 1000% or 10 times in increase/decrease in sound intensity level. 3db is a doubling or halving.

that said, I always wear ear muffs, i think any firearm will make you deaf eventually. how loud something is perceived also depends a lot of other factors.

THIS!!!
 
Not all subsonic pistol ammo will stay subsonic when fired out of a carbine. Some loads go supersonic, it's been tested in the past just can't remember where I saw it. Maybe a little testing with a chrony and a sound pressure meter is in order.
 
paging Suputin...

He's pretty busy these days.

The answer has already been given a few times, unless we shoot subsonic suppressed we will be doing damage to our ears.

How quickly the damage is done depends on how much shooting you do and how loud the firearm is. This is why I'm moving away from using brakes on my rifles. The only rifle I have now that still has a brake is my 338 Lapua and there is no way I would consider shooting that without plugs in.

One or two shots at a rabid raccoon isn't going to deafen you but the small amout of damage done accumulates over the years and even though you probably don't notice the hearing loss it is being damaged.
I go for a hearing test every two years through work and every time I go there is loss, they nurse always asks me what I do that could have done the damage and when I tell her I work in loud buildings, shoot firearms, ride motorcycles, and listen to loud music she isn't impressed.
 
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