Trying to get good.

Mini 15 - get yourself a smaller target, get a 3x5 card and put it on your B27. Then shoot the card - even if you miss, you'll be surprised at how small the group is. Aim small, miss small. When that's easy, cut it in half and do the same - eventually even if the target is large you'll be aiming small because you're used to aiming small. Then it's just applying the fundamentals.
 
Great shooting WP! :D a stock Glock is a happy Glock I have learned.

We use the targets Mini15 was using and they call them RCMP targets at work "must be a nickname then"
 
The B-27 targets used to be what we used when the score was out of 300. The course of fire changed in about '98 or '99 I think, and the targets changed at the same time.

And thanks. Shooting was ok, I haven't had much trigger time since June, today was the 3rd time since then that I've been able to shoot. My 10m and further groups are usually better, but for not shooting recently, I can't complain too much.

If you want to get better at shooting, going to the range without a goal and a plan is no different than going to the gym with no workout plan or routine. You end up making a bunch of noise, but not accomplishing much. Sure, you may eventually improve and get a little better, but you'll reach a ceiling much sooner, and have a lot of really bad habits or training scars.
 
Well starting at 7 and 10 meters was a good idea. Just for ####s I set up targets at 25 now and I do a lot better so I've been improving. I have been hitting the range twice a week for the past 2 months now though.


Real bummer though, apparently I can't set up my targets at 10 meters anymore and they must be in the backstop at 25 yards unless I do my "holster course" which allows me permission to advance from the firing line and shoot 10m away from my target in the backstop.

Apparently it's unsafe to shoot at a target from the bench 10m away and perfectly inline with the backstop...
 
wicked_police said:
The B-27 targets used to be what we used when the score was out of 300. The course of fire changed in about '98 or '99 I think, and the targets changed at the same time.

And thanks. Shooting was ok, I haven't had much trigger time since June, today was the 3rd time since then that I've been able to shoot. My 10m and further groups are usually better, but for not shooting recently, I can't complain too much.

If you want to get better at shooting, going to the range without a goal and a plan is no different than going to the gym with no workout plan or routine. You end up making a bunch of noise, but not accomplishing much. Sure, you may eventually improve and get a little better, but you'll reach a ceiling much sooner, and have a lot of really bad habits or training scars.
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Good shooting, can you duplicate that with that 12 or 13lb trigger pull that the smith has? Just asking, not being sarcastic, cause if you can thats pretty dam good.
 
mini15 said:
So the Glock 17 Gen 4 is my first true pistol. I have taken it to the range about five times now. Each time I dumped 500 rounds through it.


Started off with targets but they have these metal plates setup that give a nice *ping* when you hit them, and since my groupings were complete utter ####, I decided I would just focus on hitting the metal plate consistently at 25 yards first, using the audible *ping* as feedback for when I hit/didn't hit.


Starting to get better now but here is something I noticed. When the sights are completely flush (just like how I was taught with a buckmark pistol) the Glock 17 gets really ####ty accuracy. Sometimes I can dump a whole mag and only get two hits.

The metal plates setup at 25 yards that I'm shooting at are slightly smaller then the average human torso. They are a V shape with the bottom of the V pointing towards the ground, so the target gets skinnier towards the bottom just so you can understand.


So like I said, when the sights are flush, I rarely hit. If I "tip" the front sight ever so slightly higher so it "protrudes" from the sight picture above the rear sights and isn't flush anymore, everything is bang on. So I've been doing this, but at the same time I don't want to learn improper shooting technique (like writing left handed) and to my knowledge, the gun should shoot straight when the sights are flush.


If I have to "tip" the sight upwards to get consistent accuracy/hits doesn't that mean the gun is shooting LOW? Especially with the targets I'm shooting at being very narrow towards the bottom, couldn't that mean that if the sights are set flush on the target and the gun shoots low that is the reason why most hits are missing when I shoot like that?


Please inform, would like to get better.
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Why don't you start at 5 yards and work your way out? I am pretty sure the glock shoots fine, I have shot a couple g17s and I have seen TDC shoot both distance and tight groups. Just about any pistol you buy today will be more accurate than the average user.
Start at a closer distance and go slow, focus on your sight alignment and trigger squeeze. Gotta walk before you can run.
 
I keep noticing you say you go to the range to "pump out 300 rounds" or "dump 500 rounds". Think about quality instead of quantity at this point. Some drills use more ammo then others. More rounds practiced wrong only ingrains poor performance. Perfect practice makes perfect :) I see many new handgun shooters trying to practice from to far away, especially if they've done a lot of rifle shooting before.
 
GunGuy34 said:
Good shooting, can you duplicate that with that 12 or 13lb trigger pull that the smith has?
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Yup. But the trigger is in the 8-12 range. Although anything under 10 is a rare find.

I'm probably a little better at 15m with it as well since I've shot the gun so much... I'll give it a try next week when I'm back on the range.
 
wicked_police said:
Yup. But the trigger is in the 8-12 range. Although anything under 10 is a rare find.

I'm probably a little better at 15m with it as well since I've shot the gun so much... I'll give it a try next week when I'm back on the range.
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Do you do press checks on your duty guns? Or even your competition gun? I ask cause we had a thread debating it. I always thought it was just a hollywood thing. But its far more common then i realized. Good shooters like slavex and misstropist( cant spell it) both do it. There are a bunch of others too.
 
Press checks are done by smart people who dont want to hear click ;) some higher end military units do it too

Its done after a load/ready by pulling back on the slide about a 1/2" to insp if a round was chambered. If a round was not chamber your mag may have not been seated properly "Tap rack time"
 
Dsiwy said:
Dont do it like Steven Segal lol
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But he looks so cool! LOL!

I've never seen the use of a press check. I'd be afraid of inducing a failure by not fully chambering the round after the press check.

Just rack the slide hard like usual, apply whatever safeties are appropriate if any and then just leave the pistol alone.
 
GunGuy34 said:
Do you do press checks on your duty guns?
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I can't really say what I do for my work guns. I think what ever I do is such an ingrained task or drill, I don't even think about it. I'll try to remember next time I use it.

Non-duty guns, which are Glocks, I use the loaded chamber indicator. A quick feel with the weak-hand thumb is quick and easy.
 
Dsiwy said:
Press checks are done by smart people who dont want to hear click ;) some higher end military units do it too

Its done after a load/ready by pulling back on the slide about a 1/2" to insp if a round was chambered. If a round was not chamber your mag may have not been seated properly "Tap rack time"
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Ah, yes. Thank you Dsiwy. I could see it as being helpful in old school 1911's and such if you're carrying or in competition, but don't most pistols have a chamber indicator of one description or another?
 
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