Trying to get ready for Coyote/Turkey...
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Adrian J Hare
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Listen Hoyt, I do believe that you and I are talking on different terms here all together. What I'm reading is that your using the 3 1/2 inch loads to extend your range, am I wrong ? and from what I have seen with all Turkey loads on the market today is that the Gun and Choke combo is the importants of the dencity that one will get at a longer range.
Now you gave this quote at the start : I use life size gobbler targets to pattern... I look for ten lethal hits on the paper bird... at the furthest distance where I can get ten lethal hits... is my maximum range... I don't shoot at birds beyond that range... I shoot Winchester 3 1/2" #5 buffered turkey loads.
You look for 10 lethal hits in a good pattern and that concerns me because every shot is going to be different and you know that too. Not everytime your gun is going to hit that neck and head area with 10 shot count but rather can still kill the gobbler with a 2 or 3 and I have even seen 1 do that at extended long range. My friend its the Dencity of the pattern that one should be looking at not shot count. The OFAH safety seminars started this crap at how many shot should hit the head and spinal collum to kill a turkey, its not how many , its how well your gun holds dencity. You could very well have a turkey gun that shoots out to 80 yards, not saying to shoot that, just saying.
Now after reading over your first quote, Do you want to "OUT DO" that Winchester buffer #5 loads ? Go and get a Box of " Federal Heavy weight in a 3 1/2 #6 " or better yet get a box of Hevi 13 3 1/2 #6 which is both near the same shot size as copper #5 and shoot and your eyes will fall out of your head when you see a 40 yard taget after the shot, and using the same choke as you got. Your going to get the same shoulder pounding but Dencity will not even compare.
I have done all this and I dont shoot the 3 1/2 inch loads at all nor do I shoot a 12 gauge. I have more 100.00 chokes for turkey guns then I do shotguns in total because I have spent tremendous amount of money on chokes and loads to find what work Better in the field. I'm not on here repling to attack anyone including your self, I only am forwarding information that I have found because of what I spent in dollars and time doing this research.
You have a great choke and the constriction is ok but you could very well better your shooting with a 3 inch #6 with 2oz of shot from a Hevi 13 or Federal Heavy weight shells. Yes they are not cheap but there is a reason for the price and you would not know unless you shot them.
I'm done with this converstion because I dont believe I'll change anyones mind until they try...
Now you gave this quote at the start : I use life size gobbler targets to pattern... I look for ten lethal hits on the paper bird... at the furthest distance where I can get ten lethal hits... is my maximum range... I don't shoot at birds beyond that range... I shoot Winchester 3 1/2" #5 buffered turkey loads.
You look for 10 lethal hits in a good pattern and that concerns me because every shot is going to be different and you know that too. Not everytime your gun is going to hit that neck and head area with 10 shot count but rather can still kill the gobbler with a 2 or 3 and I have even seen 1 do that at extended long range. My friend its the Dencity of the pattern that one should be looking at not shot count. The OFAH safety seminars started this crap at how many shot should hit the head and spinal collum to kill a turkey, its not how many , its how well your gun holds dencity. You could very well have a turkey gun that shoots out to 80 yards, not saying to shoot that, just saying.
Now after reading over your first quote, Do you want to "OUT DO" that Winchester buffer #5 loads ? Go and get a Box of " Federal Heavy weight in a 3 1/2 #6 " or better yet get a box of Hevi 13 3 1/2 #6 which is both near the same shot size as copper #5 and shoot and your eyes will fall out of your head when you see a 40 yard taget after the shot, and using the same choke as you got. Your going to get the same shoulder pounding but Dencity will not even compare.
I have done all this and I dont shoot the 3 1/2 inch loads at all nor do I shoot a 12 gauge. I have more 100.00 chokes for turkey guns then I do shotguns in total because I have spent tremendous amount of money on chokes and loads to find what work Better in the field. I'm not on here repling to attack anyone including your self, I only am forwarding information that I have found because of what I spent in dollars and time doing this research.
You have a great choke and the constriction is ok but you could very well better your shooting with a 3 inch #6 with 2oz of shot from a Hevi 13 or Federal Heavy weight shells. Yes they are not cheap but there is a reason for the price and you would not know unless you shot them.
I'm done with this converstion because I dont believe I'll change anyones mind until they try...
Adrian J Hare
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You're not allowed to offer a differing viewpoint or experience, let alone question, disagree, or debate with Adrian. Geez, you oughta know that.
Cheap shots like these are one reason I would like to shut off the putter and walk away.
No body knows me and what I do, but when I try to help people and also save them money and time and you get this it makes me think. Sometimes I think its all a waiste...
Adrian you are the one who made it personal... We were discussing a technical subject and you sounded off... (By the way it's d-e-n-S-i-t-y). I have tried Heavy shot loads and patterned many #6 loads in heavy shot also... And of course they are denser, do to the higher shot count, but the smaller pellets also loose energy faster... For out guns, we settled on #5 as the best combination of pattern and energy... The 10 lethal hits rule did not come from a turkey course... It came from wanting one shot kills and not pushing the yardage too far with a given gun/choke/load combo... Of course one or two pellets can kill a bird... But I use the 10 shot count per distance rule to make sure that the bird will die if there happens to be a hole in the pattern, which can happen from hitting grass or twigs or even just an odd pellet column... I don't shoot 3 1/2" because I have to... As I said, I like calling gobblers close and all but one of my birds has been under 20 yards... Pretty much any load would have killed them... I shoot 3 1/2" and know the limits of my gun because someday, I might have a boss tom hang up, and I will know what I can and can't do if that happens...
P.S - you seem to be trying to set yourself up as the quintessential expert... But there are just too many experienced, knowledgeable folks around here... It would be best to just state your opinion and let it stand... No need to get personal or domineering.
Have a good day... Hope you have a good turkey season.
P.S - you seem to be trying to set yourself up as the quintessential expert... But there are just too many experienced, knowledgeable folks around here... It would be best to just state your opinion and let it stand... No need to get personal or domineering.
Have a good day... Hope you have a good turkey season.
It's easy to criticize, and something you do best, not fun eh hoytcanon.................consider it your own poison. Start taking advice from people who know a little more than you for a change instead of being a "know it all". Mr. Hare has walked the walk in life but you just keep talking the talk.
You actually have a lot of valuable things to say, and I enjoy your posts, but you really need to dial back the emotion and not automatically assume that people are "out to get you" because they offer a different viewpoint or even disagree with you. I've been subjected to it, even accused of things that did not happen, and you refused to stand behind your comments. So its this knee jerk reaction of hostility that really detracts from your contributions. I hope you do take this as constructive, because the discussion would be better for everyone.
Adrian J Hare
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Really it all started with me comment That there is no reason to shoot 3 1/2 shells Quote "From Me" There is No reason What so ever to shoot 3 1/2 in turkey loads at all. Its hard to tell first timers but a 3 inch shell throws every bit of a dence pattern as a 3 1/2 shell the only difference is the quanity of shot in the shell. Quote
So who got there feather s Up first ? sorry it started and then the ball rolled from one member to another . Maybe my opinion is not allowed here eh CV32 ?
Emotion, out to get you, disagree, accused, refused, knee jerk, hostility, detracts, you sure make a mountain out of a molehill. You and many el al twist comments and have ficticious mind reading slandering thoughts.
Not at all. Your opinion and experiences are valuable. But if you could lose the chip on your shoulder, and not get emotional every time someone offers an opinion different from yours, that would go a long way.
Heh, okay. I don't know what "ficticious mind reading slandering thoughts" are, but I'm ready to "talk turkey" if you are.
We don't have turkeys around here (well, not entirely true, but a topic for another day), and its interesting stuff, so why not talk about turkeys instead of raising hackles?
My only point from the start.
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Interesting that Track should jump into this... I was thinking that Adrian's attitude reminded me of someone...
Here's the deal you two... Other people have opinions of which neither of you are tolerant... Other people have experience of which you are both unaware... I probably have not taken as many turkeys as Adrian, I have only been at the turkey game for eight years, but I have filled both tags every year, with shotgun and bow... I have not taken as many big bucks as Track (he is blessed to live in a quality area), but I hunt hard and have bowhunted deer for 35+ years and have taken twenty or twenty five bucks (don't know how many does)... Half a dozen of those would be above the P&Y minimum... I have also taken 35+ bears (until they closed the spring season... My springs switched to turkey hunting afterward) and a dozen bull moose... All with a bow. Sure I don't have the resume of some of the hardcore CGN hunters... But I have spent most of my life in the woods and in archery and shooting sports... That adds up to a lot of experiences and the right to share them and to differ with either of you... I have no problem with you not agreeing with me, I don't understand the sensitivity that causes you to take it personally when others disagree with you...
But it takes all sorts... I will go on record again and say that I hope you have a grand 2013 in the woods...
I'll still be shooting those hard jammin' 3 1/2" loads for birds... IF I use a shotgun at all... More of an archery fan to be honest, at least for big game... Which is what I consider turkeys... The hunt always reminds me of calling and working bull moose... On a smaller scale and without having to worry which way the wind is blowing... Maybe that's why I love it.
Here's the deal you two... Other people have opinions of which neither of you are tolerant... Other people have experience of which you are both unaware... I probably have not taken as many turkeys as Adrian, I have only been at the turkey game for eight years, but I have filled both tags every year, with shotgun and bow... I have not taken as many big bucks as Track (he is blessed to live in a quality area), but I hunt hard and have bowhunted deer for 35+ years and have taken twenty or twenty five bucks (don't know how many does)... Half a dozen of those would be above the P&Y minimum... I have also taken 35+ bears (until they closed the spring season... My springs switched to turkey hunting afterward) and a dozen bull moose... All with a bow. Sure I don't have the resume of some of the hardcore CGN hunters... But I have spent most of my life in the woods and in archery and shooting sports... That adds up to a lot of experiences and the right to share them and to differ with either of you... I have no problem with you not agreeing with me, I don't understand the sensitivity that causes you to take it personally when others disagree with you...
But it takes all sorts... I will go on record again and say that I hope you have a grand 2013 in the woods...
I'll still be shooting those hard jammin' 3 1/2" loads for birds... IF I use a shotgun at all... More of an archery fan to be honest, at least for big game... Which is what I consider turkeys... The hunt always reminds me of calling and working bull moose... On a smaller scale and without having to worry which way the wind is blowing... Maybe that's why I love it.
Just don't get personal, stick to the subject matter weather it is a gun, bow, bullet, etc. People as yourself take things out of context and think you have telekinesis power to read someones mind to judge attitude/thoughts.................final word, "stay on the subject" not the person.
