That's a very flawed and outdated mentality.
With the prevalence of drones these days, the future of self defence will be against aerial attackers.
Just picture a swarm of mini drones coming at you, regardless of the payload it carries....
Not a fun day.
Skeet, arguably, is probably the most practical of disciplines currently available, in preparation for the future defence of one's self and family.
you're on to something here. A very real possibility.
Nothing is scary about these parts. They are just a reality check for your claims that self-defence with firearms in Canada has no legal consequences (even the temporary ones).
I'd like to see a "legitimate defensive firearms training" in Canada. One will need to have some sort of firearm-act-related certification in order to do it legitimately here.
Besides, had anyone ever got his PAL using "self defence" as a reason for requesting it?
On top of that, isn't firearm act states harsher penalties for legal owners for violating it that to those who obtained firearms illegally?
And what makes you believe none of that applies to the IPSC sport?
It has large "tacti-cool" element to it at most (and only to the people who have no experience or exposure to the shooting sport competitions). The ones I saw (with the proper use of cover and all) looked more like a pulling a tooth to me...
Are you or they're not? You think you can sit in your proper cover forever and bad guys will never come to you or will never shoot faster than you?
Also, have you ever heard of an element of surprise in the assault situation?
Have you learned about that timer thing during your only IPSC match you've shot?
Let me enlighten you that the top IPSC shooters are graded on their accuracy AND by doing that on the clock.
I never said anything about there being no consequences to a defensive shoot. You will likely be arrested and charged. If the shoot is a defensive shoot then the charges will be dropped. Charged does not mean convicted. A clean defensive shoot will result in no NEGATIVE consequences(from a legal standpoint).
By legitimate defensive firearms training I am referring to Front Sight, Thunder Ranch, Magpul Dynamics, Haley Strategic, Grey Solutions, SIG Sauer Academy, Warrior poet society, Shivworks etc. This type of training has been offered in Canada and can still be found if you look hard enough. And no, you don’t need permission from uncle gov to attend. There is also the above options within the USA if you want to make a trip of it.
Not sure what you’re on about regarding “harsher” penalties???
I never said IPSC didn’t work the fundamentals, naturally most any shooting discipline will require it. Outside of the marksmanship basics it’s all game. The gear, the rules, and the guns.
Three gun or multi gun has to have some form of game to it, it’s how you’re scored. What it lacks is the insane rules and lopsided results that permeate in IPSC. Plenty of IPSC shooters with spare time and money(ammo) to practice up. Not very many people have the time or money to train up 3 different firearm types to the same level. With some creative stage design, you can make the best suited guns struggle. This helps keep the gear race to a minimum.
I don’t want to get into a d*ck measuring contest here. However, you clearly don’t understand what happens in a gunfight. There is very rarely any advancing on the opponent(defensive, not LE/MIL). Scumbags don’t want to die for your wallet and phone. Scumbags aren’t interested in pursuing the fight until you’re dead. Their goal is to rob the weak and move on. Even active shooters aren’t pressing the fight like the Terminator. Being a faster shot is not what wins gunfights. Making hits wins, and so does not getting shot. You don’t have to shoot the scumbag to win a gunfight, you simply have to survive it. You can’t draw faster than avgun that’s already drawn(and pointed at you). Again, shooting faster doesn’t equal a win. Making hits first usually means a win. The element of surprise is usually lost on a defensive shooting as you’re by definition reacting to the event, not instigating it. That being said, with some patience and astute awareness there may be an opportunity to deploy your firearm where some element of surprise will be in your favor.
Go on over to ASP, Active Self Protection on youtube. He has hundreds of real gunfights, robberies, car jackings, fights, etc. John Correia dissects the situation and explains what went right and what went wrong. There are almost zero videos where a fast draw was the key to success. Situational awareness is absolutely the most important factor. You’ll also see some very close gunfights where no one was hit. For kicks hit up Police Activity as well. Endless LEO shootings on there. Most again, don’t revolve around high speed draws.
Your condescending attitude towards timers is off putting and ignorant. All disciplines use a shot timer. I’m very well versed in their use. What troubles me more is your comment about IPSC shooters being graded on speed and accuracy…. This might be news to you, but the concept of accuracy and time as your score is common knowledge for all shooting disciplines, not just IPSC..
A real life shootout has likely the strictest time limit you will ever face (shoot the bad guys before they shoot you)...and the penalties for not beating that clock can be pretty severe.
You don’t have to like all the shooting games and of course you are entitled to your own opinions but I’ll defer to the professionals when it comes to determining what has real life value and what doesn’t.
You have the rest of your life, to solve the problem in a defensive situation... That clock may be long or short. There is no clock running that will grade your survival as being "sub par" if you manage to survive. Read my response above. Surviving the gunfight does not mean you have to shoot anyone. Lots of people survive shootings without ever having a firearm or using one. Pick any mass shooting event, drive by, police shooting etc.
You left out how fast you can move. In IPSC scoring on some stages you can gain more by being less accurate but move faster. Take the three elements together and if you move faster than every one else, shoot more accurately you will win. You are right it like IDPA,PPC, 3 Gun etc are all games- nothong more nothing less.
Sassybee if you want to learn how to shoot to kill , join the Army. If you want to learn how to shoot defensively go to the US and pay for courses tp teach you how to do it. If you want to play in one of the games get a rule book and find out what equipment you need and go play.
To to the OP your Tok will not be welcome nor will it fit any action shooting game that I an aware of. You bought it because it was cheap and surplus ammo is also relatively cheap. In the absence of cheap ammo it is a rather poorly designed boat anchor. Enjoy the hell out of it, it makes lots of noise and puts holes into anything you aim at most of the time.
Take Care
Bob
[[ps. euxx there is huge expense if you are involved in a bad shoot un Canada. Almost every situation where the shooters life was not clearly in peril will be costly. Any expense you incur here in Canada pales in comparison of a bad shoot in the US where much the same rules apply. A lot depends in what State you live in. It never ends well.
You don't need to join the military to learn to shoot Bob. Human anatomy and effective hits on target is common knowledge. Placing bullets into those targets while under stress is what takes training and practice.
