I have a tokarev tt-33. It's a nice pistol with a nice clean bore and looks like she's been well taken of. The problem I have is that sometimes the spent casing isn't been ejected out and it gets jammed in the barrel, then I have to push it out sometimes quite forcefully to remove it. Any ideas, could it be the surplus ammo? Any help would be great.
TT-33 Jamming help
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clean the chamber whit acetone or some kind of thinner it is probably the lacquer on the surplus ammo that create this trouble!!
If you're shooting that steel-cased Czech ammo, you should be aware that it is an extremely hot load which was designed for the CZ-52 pistol. It is actually far too hot for a Tok.
There are FOUR different loading levels for the original Borchardt casing. Loads for the Borchardt are the mildest, loads for the C-96 are hotter, Tok ammo is hotter yet and the CZ-52 load caps them all. I think you could trash a $20,000 Borchardt with about ONE mag of the Czech stuff. It is certainly FAR too hot for the Mauser...... and the Tok functions fine with Mauser loads.
Hope this helps.
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There are FOUR different loading levels for the original Borchardt casing. Loads for the Borchardt are the mildest, loads for the C-96 are hotter, Tok ammo is hotter yet and the CZ-52 load caps them all. I think you could trash a $20,000 Borchardt with about ONE mag of the Czech stuff. It is certainly FAR too hot for the Mauser...... and the Tok functions fine with Mauser loads.
Hope this helps.
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@Ganderite:
That's pretty much exactly what happened. Borchardt designed the gun AND the cartridge. The earliest Borchardt ammno was made by DWM (we think) but as it was the ONLY automatic pistol round they were making, it didn't even have a headstamp. I have a single round of this here, came out of a mixed lot of .303 C Mark II, 7x57 and 7x53 which turned up out of an estate, all stained exactly the same way. Likely it was bringbacks from the Boer War; that's the ony conflict I know of with that mixture of ammo. The Borchardt cartridge evidently had jammed in a gun, but it chambers fine in my Tok.
The Borchardt round actually was a bit on the wimpy side and it was the only round available at that time (1894/95) so that is what Paul Mauser designed his C.95 and C.96 around, just with a bit steamier load for reliability and sales purposes. The Russian Empire and later the Bolsheviks got a large number of C.96 types, so the ammo was familiar in Russia and pretty pervasive. So when the Russians designed their own gun (the Tok), it was designed around a cartridge which they already knew...... just with a little more oomph. As the old Mausers wore out and the Toks came into service, the new gun AND the new ammo became the standard so, no big problems apart from the Mausers jumping a bit much when fired with the new ammo.
Following War Two, the occupation of Eastern Europe and the beginning of the Cold War, the Warsaw Pact was formed and it required everyone's weapons to use Soviet ammunition (and, preferably, Soviet weapons). The Czechs, though, were great developers and didn't want to be bossed around by Hitler OR Stalin. And they were fascinated with the idea of roller-locking, so they designed this big ugly pistol with roller-locking and a series of their own SMGs around an "improved" version of the Soviet pistol/burp gun round, making the ammo hot enough that it really should not be fired in the Russian guns. And THAT is the ammo that people are blithely running through poor little Toks!
Check the figures derived from experiments. The gap between the original Borchardt round and the CZ-52 round is close to 600 ft/sec!!!!! That's like taking an old top-break Smith and running it on a diet of .357 Maggies. Not really a great idea.
But it was all expediency and/or salesmanship and/or bullying and it ended up with ammo on the market which FITS and FIRES in a Tok, but which actually is much too hot. And God help the poor guy who starts running that Czech ammo in a conehammer C.96: he will see his $5k investment down the drain rather quickly.
Hope this helps to clear some of the murk away.
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That's pretty much exactly what happened. Borchardt designed the gun AND the cartridge. The earliest Borchardt ammno was made by DWM (we think) but as it was the ONLY automatic pistol round they were making, it didn't even have a headstamp. I have a single round of this here, came out of a mixed lot of .303 C Mark II, 7x57 and 7x53 which turned up out of an estate, all stained exactly the same way. Likely it was bringbacks from the Boer War; that's the ony conflict I know of with that mixture of ammo. The Borchardt cartridge evidently had jammed in a gun, but it chambers fine in my Tok.
The Borchardt round actually was a bit on the wimpy side and it was the only round available at that time (1894/95) so that is what Paul Mauser designed his C.95 and C.96 around, just with a bit steamier load for reliability and sales purposes. The Russian Empire and later the Bolsheviks got a large number of C.96 types, so the ammo was familiar in Russia and pretty pervasive. So when the Russians designed their own gun (the Tok), it was designed around a cartridge which they already knew...... just with a little more oomph. As the old Mausers wore out and the Toks came into service, the new gun AND the new ammo became the standard so, no big problems apart from the Mausers jumping a bit much when fired with the new ammo.
Following War Two, the occupation of Eastern Europe and the beginning of the Cold War, the Warsaw Pact was formed and it required everyone's weapons to use Soviet ammunition (and, preferably, Soviet weapons). The Czechs, though, were great developers and didn't want to be bossed around by Hitler OR Stalin. And they were fascinated with the idea of roller-locking, so they designed this big ugly pistol with roller-locking and a series of their own SMGs around an "improved" version of the Soviet pistol/burp gun round, making the ammo hot enough that it really should not be fired in the Russian guns. And THAT is the ammo that people are blithely running through poor little Toks!
Check the figures derived from experiments. The gap between the original Borchardt round and the CZ-52 round is close to 600 ft/sec!!!!! That's like taking an old top-break Smith and running it on a diet of .357 Maggies. Not really a great idea.
But it was all expediency and/or salesmanship and/or bullying and it ended up with ammo on the market which FITS and FIRES in a Tok, but which actually is much too hot. And God help the poor guy who starts running that Czech ammo in a conehammer C.96: he will see his $5k investment down the drain rather quickly.
Hope this helps to clear some of the murk away.
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Very debatable point there. Many say the Tok is the stronger of the two. I've put the Czech surplus over a chrony and it's not as hot as people say it is. 1500-1550 fps in a Tok.
to get it back on topic
Ive had the same problem its a combination of things, hot load and lacquer
before loading i wipe the ammo down with hoppes and wipe them dry, no need to do each round individually do them while they are still on the clip whatever you clean off would be good enough. so far after hundreds of rounds like this no fte's. however i did go to a range and forgot to wipe the ammo down (same crate, same gun) after about 6-7 clips i start getting fte's, about 2 per magazine/clip and called it a night.
Get a spare extractor (tradeex or marstar might be your best bet), mine broke on me. i suspect it was due to that problem
Ive had the same problem its a combination of things, hot load and lacquer
before loading i wipe the ammo down with hoppes and wipe them dry, no need to do each round individually do them while they are still on the clip whatever you clean off would be good enough. so far after hundreds of rounds like this no fte's. however i did go to a range and forgot to wipe the ammo down (same crate, same gun) after about 6-7 clips i start getting fte's, about 2 per magazine/clip and called it a night.
Get a spare extractor (tradeex or marstar might be your best bet), mine broke on me. i suspect it was due to that problem
The tok is stronger by a fair bit & so far I have consumed 3000rnds of the s&b with no failures or wear I can see on my chinese tok. Polish the chamber & your problem will disappear.
I had the same problem with the first TT I bought. No amount of work cleaning/buffing/polishing the chamber fixed the issue.
Curious, I bought some S&B ammunition. The pistol ran flawlessly with new manufacture, non-lacquered ammunition. In my opinion, the lacquer on the czech surplus is the problem. Similar to Denich, the extractor on this pistol is now pretty worn, which I suspect is due to this problem.
Having said that, I have a second TT pistol which does not fail on surplus. My guess is that the chamber of the first is just the tiniest bit tighter than that of the second pistol.
Curious, I bought some S&B ammunition. The pistol ran flawlessly with new manufacture, non-lacquered ammunition. In my opinion, the lacquer on the czech surplus is the problem. Similar to Denich, the extractor on this pistol is now pretty worn, which I suspect is due to this problem.
Having said that, I have a second TT pistol which does not fail on surplus. My guess is that the chamber of the first is just the tiniest bit tighter than that of the second pistol.
