Tumbling AR-15 bullets

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Returned yesterday from a frustrating day on the range trying to zero a Bushmaster AR-15 with 16" barrel. I just got into reloading, and can normally fire consistant dimed sized groups out of my Remington 700 with a 52 gn HPBT round on 25.5 gn of Hodgen Varget. So I figured WTH why not try the same powder weight on a 55 gn Speer Spitz-SP set at 2.175 COL as the good Speer book says...

Well the result was spectacular and not in the good sense. First four rounds 7" low and then one corrected up 2.5" at 25m...

Second group of corrections brings the rounds centered on point of aim at 25m...

Third group, time to switch to 100m and shots all over the place, but primarily low...

Fourth group back to 25m and shots progressively walk downwards as the barrel heats up or fouls from 6" to 16" low and 3" right. (Must note that I'm firing one round about every 30 seconds.)

Fifth group at 25m clearly shows point of impact 5" to 12" below the POA and descends again as the barrel heats up. However closer inspection shows that as the bullets are walking down that they are progressively tumbling or coning. First two good, third 25% profile, fourth 50% profile, and fifth through seventh completely sideways, Eighth through tenth off the target. :eek: (Normally I shoot five round groups, but by now this time I just wanted to blow off the rounds and relieve some frustration. :evil:

So back at home I realize I have a problem... My inclination is to first clean the barrel really well again (it was freshly cleaned before this session). My second is to increase the powder weight by half grain increments up to 27 gn. The third is to try a heavier bullet weight, and the fourth is to try a different powder. While researching this I found some negative comments about fouling with Varget, but I cannot confirm this is the fault.

Has anyone else found this problem or have any suggestions?:confused:

I kept the target, due to sheer curiosity and tried to attach the photo but it wouldn't work. I can send it to anyone with ideas.
 
I personally love Varget, but wouldn't use it for anything less than a 68 grain match bullet.
For 55gr. fmj or the like, I'd go with a quicker burning ball powder like BL-C2, H322 or H335.

Your OAL seems a bit off too... my standard to start is 2.250"

Another thing I'd recommend against is sending rounds down range using different types of powder without cleaning in between. Not sure why, but ball and extruded type powders after one another will screw up accuracy and velocity readings.
 
I tried Varget to push 50 Gr Vmax with the same poopie grouping problems, I switched to IMR-3031 and the results are unbelievable. From 2 to 3" down to 3/4" out of my M77 Ruger.
 
Thanks for the input, I'll likely try a H335 before spending time building bullets and not hitting the target. I was a little surprised by the COL, but it was right out of the Speer manual and with Speer bullets I figured they would know...however I note that the other two 55 gn FMJ-BT and SP/Cann are set at 2.215 so maybe I'll try that as well. I'll keep the forum posted in about a week.
 
Problem Solved

Not certain what the issue was... However, I shipped the upper back to Bushmaster and they replaced the barrel and flash suppressor. They suspect that it may have been a crowning issue but who can tell. Back to below 1" at 100 yards and I am happy. Can't say enough for the service at Bushmaster, however I had to wait about 90 days for the whole process, and I think their Canadian distributor needs to improve their customer service.
 
Thanks for the input, I'll likely try a H335 before spending time building bullets and not hitting the target. I was a little surprised by the COL, but it was right out of the Speer manual and with Speer bullets I figured they would know...however I note that the other two 55 gn FMJ-BT and SP/Cann are set at 2.215 so maybe I'll try that as well.

Sorry, I missed the note on Cannalure. If loading bullets with one, I'd seat them to the middle, and adjust powder levels accordingly. I'd also recommend the Lee factory crimp die for crimping duty.
 
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