Have been a hunter since the mid fifties have mutiple firearms, never shot anyone or been in danger of being shot. However no PAL as I refuse to take part in the firearm safety circus and exam. However just took the turkey course and looking and listening at the 4/500 new prospects many of them products of the new 'safe' and certified brand of hunters I feel safety glasses, riot gear and posibly motion detectors would be suitable purchases in the futur. The only new development that promots safety in the woods is the mentor program, good practical experience beats smoke and mirrors. ACTS & PROVE and the whole safety course can be mastered and re-enacted in less than 24 hrs. Passing the exam only verifies you are not stupid not that you are competent or safe to turn loose with a gun.
Turkey Hunters - careful out there
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Skippy said:
Sure, thats exactly what i did second day of the season to get my bird. I was hunting alone, and on property I had exclusive permission to hunt...
In other words, Im not affecting anyone else. In the event I have to move when group hunting, (turkeys ) whistle, and hand signals ... Easy resolution, and if Im moving, they're arent any birds around, so a handsignal isnt going to bust my hunt.
we play hopscotch all the time with birds.
Maybe for deer, bear and moose, but if your sitting in a spot with open fields for miles around, Im pretty sure your not going to see much turkeys...Skippy said:
and if you do, chances are, your hunting partners can see you, the bird, and arent going to do much damage with #6 shot.
This is ontario, when does that happen? Keep in minds we're talking turkeys, something much different than hunting any other form of big game in ontario
Skippy said:
wow, his statement is assenine, yet in the same statement your judge and jury for the "idiot" that shot her... Hmm... can you say hypocrite?
If your working an area with more than one hunter (IE group hunting), it is your RESPONSABILITY to let that person know your moving. If you cant, keep your ass put!
We routinely work in close confines with up to half a dozen hunters in turkey season, and I can tell you for sure that we havent had a problem because everyone knows where eachother are... Its a part of safe hunting.
we're not talkng about working a 500 acre parcel of bush,
we're talking about multiple hunters within earshot. (which is obviously the case here)
SO let me fix your "fixed question" Why cant people stay put when hunting?
You're getting a little too deep into this Darryl.
In your own response you advocated moving while hunting using your own success as justification and then questioned why people should move while hunting. I'm not sure where you're going with your post, but you've lost the point I was trying to make in my original post, chifely that people move while hunting for all sorts of reasons, and if they're shot while doing so it isn't because they should've been sitting still.
If you really wanted to fix my "fixed question", rather than just start a pointless argument, you should have asked:
"WHy can't people stay put while hunting turkeys with one or more partners when they're in earshot of one another and in thick brush."
If the original poster we're referring to had posted that question, he wouldn't have come off as asinine.
Finally, I'm not sure why I'm a hypocrite. I never accused the original poster of being unfair in condenming the guy who shot her, only in blaming the victim.
Try reading a little more carefully next time and you might make a better point.
This is exactly what I was getting at.
I guess I layed the sarcasm on a little too thick for Darryl to get my meaning.
In your own response you advocated moving while hunting using your own success as justification and then questioned why people should move while hunting. I'm not sure where you're going with your post, but you've lost the point I was trying to make in my original post, chifely that people move while hunting for all sorts of reasons, and if they're shot while doing so it isn't because they should've been sitting still.
If you really wanted to fix my "fixed question", rather than just start a pointless argument, you should have asked:
"WHy can't people stay put while hunting turkeys with one or more partners when they're in earshot of one another and in thick brush."
If the original poster we're referring to had posted that question, he wouldn't have come off as asinine.
Finally, I'm not sure why I'm a hypocrite. I never accused the original poster of being unfair in condenming the guy who shot her, only in blaming the victim.
Try reading a little more carefully next time and you might make a better point.
Claybuster said:
This is exactly what I was getting at.
I guess I layed the sarcasm on a little too thick for Darryl to get my meaning.
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well its always nice to have a rough idea were your hunting partners are..but there is always the odd straggler that comes in the picture..its plain and simple..be sure of your target..before you pull the trigger..
noises in the bush are not targets
noises in the bush are not targets
Well said!fogducker said:well its always nice to have a rough idea were your hunting partners are..but there is always the odd straggler that comes in the picture..its plain and simple..be sure of your target..before you pull the trigger..
noises in the bush are not targets
FootedShaft
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I was very unfortunate to be about 200 yds from this couple when he shot her.The sounds (screaming) she made is a sound i will NEVER forget and something i NEVER want tot hear again.
The woman was neither his wife or girlfreind.Unbelievably,the were BOTH hunter/safety instructors from London.
When i talked to the landowner last night he told me the woman had left the spot she was supposed to be in, to crawl over and take a picture of a pilliated woodpecker.The shooter seen a turkeys head(her blond hair sticking out from her mask) and he said he could see a beard(which turned out to be a black camera strap swinging) so he put the bead between the two points and pulled the trigger.
VERY scary stuff!!!! Bill
The woman was neither his wife or girlfreind.Unbelievably,the were BOTH hunter/safety instructors from London.
When i talked to the landowner last night he told me the woman had left the spot she was supposed to be in, to crawl over and take a picture of a pilliated woodpecker.The shooter seen a turkeys head(her blond hair sticking out from her mask) and he said he could see a beard(which turned out to be a black camera strap swinging) so he put the bead between the two points and pulled the trigger.
VERY scary stuff!!!! Bill
MauserMike
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Instructors? I wonder if I know these people? I will have to ask around the range tonight about this incident.
FootedShaft
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Mike,i PM'd you. Bill
Clay, your 100% right, know your target, and what is beyond it.
THis could have been avioded had folks stayed put, and someone didnt soundshoot. 2 wrongs definately dont make a right.
Comprehension issues? I was hunting a property I was exclusive to, and hunting by myself... A bit different than hunting with a group, or hunting public, or shared land. (BTW, a group is 2 or more people) this obviously took place in a very public locale if cgn'rs are chiming in about hearing her screams from 200 yards away... She shouldnt have been moving around, and he shouldnt have been soundshooting. end of story
Need i really get that indepth to pacify you?
see?
THis could have been avioded had folks stayed put, and someone didnt soundshoot. 2 wrongs definately dont make a right.
Skippy said:
Comprehension issues? I was hunting a property I was exclusive to, and hunting by myself... A bit different than hunting with a group, or hunting public, or shared land. (BTW, a group is 2 or more people) this obviously took place in a very public locale if cgn'rs are chiming in about hearing her screams from 200 yards away... She shouldnt have been moving around, and he shouldnt have been soundshooting. end of story
Skippy said:
Need i really get that indepth to pacify you?
Emoticons are good things for sarcasmSkippy said:
see?
Back on Topic... I still cannot believe that an H/E Instructor never mind two of them could make these types of mistakes!
I understand that there are all kinds of supposed circumstances that lead to this kind of accident. BUT... there is still no excuse for not identifying your target.
I suppose that there are going to be charges laid.. and one or maybe both will be all done as instructors.
I find this both sad and discouraging... our sport deserves better press than this.
I understand that there are all kinds of supposed circumstances that lead to this kind of accident. BUT... there is still no excuse for not identifying your target.
I suppose that there are going to be charges laid.. and one or maybe both will be all done as instructors.
I find this both sad and discouraging... our sport deserves better press than this.
MauserMike
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Damn, if the PM I got is true, I was just talking with this instructor (the shooter) on Friday about his turkey hunting.
Don't bother PMing me to ask who it is. I want to have the story 100% right before I start spreading around something like this.
Don't bother PMing me to ask who it is. I want to have the story 100% right before I start spreading around something like this.
He's been a member here for over a year. Doesn't matter how many posts a person has it's the content of his posts that matter. Welcome Footed and thanks for your comments.ckc123 said:
Back on topic, the story about the hair looking like a turkey's head and the camera strap looking like a beard is pretty damn thin.
