Turkey Hunters - careful out there
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Claybuster said:
Actually it does.. it would seem that when things like this happen, a lot of times you will see people popping up with "I was there when it happened" or "I knew the guy" etc. etc. and a lot of time is ends up to be false statements.. People just looking for attention..
All I did was notice the last of posts, and considered that an interesteing concindence.. (as you will see with a lot of the other situations). I don't know the guy who posted the response, but that doesn't mean I give him any more/less credit then anyone else I see responding in the same situations.. Just cause he's been here a year does give the claim any more weight IMO.
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Dear ckc123;
At no point was i looking for attention.As i am sure you can see i didn't start this post,and in fact waited for at least 25 posts before i said anything.
I didn't know these folks,the landowner is very close personal friends with the shooter.
All of the info i have passed on was given to me by the landowner who the shooter flagged down after running/east out of the woodlot into his backyard.The rest of the info i was given was right from the personal friend(landowner) of the shooter.
I only posted because there was alot of "speculation" flying around.
I will agree with you ,in the fact that there does alway seem to be the "i was there/i seen it happen" people but let me assure you i sure as hell wish i wasn't anywhere near where that happened because i NEVER want to hear a person in that kind of panic/pain again in my life.
As far as the lack of posts?, i am a bowhunter first and foremost.I spend very little time on the firearms sights.I do have alot of firearm experience(worked in a gunshop for the better part of 13 years)I do spend ALOT of time on almost all the archery sights(archery talk,TradGang,x-calibur x bows site,the leatherwall...etc).I have the exact same user name on all of those,you can go check them out and you will see that i never go "seeking"attention.
If you want to talk to me about it (what i know about the shooting)pm me and i will give you my number.
I will not tell you the shooters name, i will let that come from other sources.
Don't know what else i can say,except that maybe i will stay in the house more instead of out hunting and fishing so that i can appease all of the "post counters".
Thanks Bill
At no point was i looking for attention.As i am sure you can see i didn't start this post,and in fact waited for at least 25 posts before i said anything.
I didn't know these folks,the landowner is very close personal friends with the shooter.
All of the info i have passed on was given to me by the landowner who the shooter flagged down after running/east out of the woodlot into his backyard.The rest of the info i was given was right from the personal friend(landowner) of the shooter.
I only posted because there was alot of "speculation" flying around.
I will agree with you ,in the fact that there does alway seem to be the "i was there/i seen it happen" people but let me assure you i sure as hell wish i wasn't anywhere near where that happened because i NEVER want to hear a person in that kind of panic/pain again in my life.
As far as the lack of posts?, i am a bowhunter first and foremost.I spend very little time on the firearms sights.I do have alot of firearm experience(worked in a gunshop for the better part of 13 years)I do spend ALOT of time on almost all the archery sights(archery talk,TradGang,x-calibur x bows site,the leatherwall...etc).I have the exact same user name on all of those,you can go check them out and you will see that i never go "seeking"attention.
If you want to talk to me about it (what i know about the shooting)pm me and i will give you my number.
I will not tell you the shooters name, i will let that come from other sources.
Don't know what else i can say,except that maybe i will stay in the house more instead of out hunting and fishing so that i can appease all of the "post counters".
Thanks Bill
They don't offer a "Tukey Course" here in Ab so I was unaware of the "Shoot at sound" aspect of this hunt. I heard lots of sounds and foolishly waited until the Jake made an appearance and presented a close broadside shot before pulling the trigger.
fogducker said:come on mandont be a ####....
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I'm afraid the #### in this case is the guy who shot his old lady. I'm just a pissed off hunter whose main concernsshould be blackies ,big cats or the occasional grizzly yet my wife always says the same thing when I go hunting:
"Don't get shot!"
Stories like this one or the guy who shot his two buddies riding a quad claiming they looked like a moose or the guy who shot the another hunter carrying a deer decoy are such sad commentaries on the level of instruction or mentoring apparantly required by "some" hunters. These incidents appear so utterly preventable yet ....
I think the course is a good idea, but should definitely be harder. There are lots of people who don't pay attention or sleep through it.
I find it hard to believe a hunter ed instructor could make such a negligent mistake.
I find it hard to believe a hunter ed instructor could make such a negligent mistake.
Waterfowler said:
Yeah, both good points. I agree that Hunter Education is necessary and that Turkey Hunting is a very dangerous sport. The fact that Turkey Hunting requires a level of training and safety above and beyond is indisputable and most long time Turkey Hunters are aware of this and act accordingly.
How would you change the Program W/F?
Waterfowler said:
I think the course is a waste of time and money. A course like that is NOT going to teach someone safety if they don't already know or practice safe hunting (you should have learned that during Hunter Ed).. there are no new safety regs or rules for turkey, that you shouldn't already be following for any other game you hunt.
The "education" you get during the course, again is not much different from when a hunter starts to begin to hunt any other species (Eg starts to duck hunt). you learn species identification, shot placement, decoy use etc..
So why does the hunter need to learn this differently for Turkey, then they do for any other species.. I don't see a course showing a hunter the difference between a Moose Cow and a Moose Calf!!!
The fact is that hunters have to do thier OWN homework when it comes to hunting new species, and expecting that a 2-3 hour course, is make a hunter safer, or give him all he needs to know to hunt turkey. your just kidding yourself.
ckc123 said:
I would disagree with you.. and I am only guessing that your Turkey Hunting Experience is somewhat limited.
Any seasoned Turkey Hunter knows that it is a DIFFERENT kind of hunt with DIFFERENT and more challenging safety aspects.
I am not saying that the current Program is perfect... but I think there would be more accidents without it! JBRO
BIGREDD said:
Wrong and wrong.. So please or great turkey hunter, enlighten us to what safety aspects of turkey hunting, do not already apply to other species, and should not already be following
1) Traveling with a gun.. (hmmm dogging for moose in the deep woods and swamps)
2) Shot placement (archery hunting for deer)
3) Knowing whats behind your target (Try hunting for ducks in a crowded swap with guys, boats, and dogs every 25 meters in each direction)
4) Wearing blaze or orange flag on the way out of the hunt (Deer hunting)
5)Knowing what the hell you are actually shooting at (If duck hunters can do it with a bird in flight, or deer hunters with a buck moving throught he woods, then turkey hunter should be no different, they can identify the game AS it emeges from cover, not shoot through it)
BTW: Having to cover up your turkey in a bag on the way out.. I don't consider that to be real safety. It's a defensive measure from other moronic hunters who did not follow the above.. if they were safe, then you wouldn' have to .
So please enlighten me as to what make turkey hunting safety differnt from any other species, that I need to take a special course for it..
Not Turkey related, but several times last year I passed on taking a shot at various types of game, and I went home empty handed as a result, but then again, I didn't accidentally shoot someone by taking a shot I wasn't sure of.
Methinks some folks are simply too impatient these days.
Methinks some folks are simply too impatient these days.
It's really simple. Know your target and what is beyond. No if's, and's or but's. You shoot someone or something that is not a game species, you should pay the piper; no hunting license ever again, or firearm ownership, and I think a jail term is not out of the question. These people were instructors, and mentors, for our heritage, and they just let us down in a way that is hard to put into words.
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You have my attention.BIGREDD said:I would disagree with you.. and I am only guessing that your Turkey Hunting Experience is somewhat limited.
Any seasoned Turkey Hunter knows that it is a DIFFERENT kind of hunt with DIFFERENT and more challenging safety aspects.
I am not saying that the current Program is perfect... but I think there would be more accidents without it! JBRO
Is it the hunting or the hunters that is the problem?
It is both...
When turkey hunting you are hunting in full Camo on the ground, calling and using decoys that are positioned very close to you. The vocal nature of the birds is an invitation for other hunters to move towards the sound. NO OTHER TYPE OF HUNTING HAS ALL OF THESE SPECIFIC ASPECTS!
This isn't rocket science and dozens of studies prove what I am saying. In the States that have adopted SPECIFIC TURKEY HUNTING EDUCATION the accident rates have dropped off dramatically.
One of the biggest problems with the hunters is attitude... just like some of the flakes posting here. They think that just because they have hunted ducks and deer with a modicum of success that they are Elmer Kieth! More like Elmer Fudd!
There a probably only a couple dozen Hunters on this Board that have been successfully Hunting Turkeys for more than five or six Years! And likely half of that that have been hunting them Twenty years. Out of those Hunters only a handful have shot more than a couple of birds in their careers!
My Point? Turkey Hunting is a relatively new sport that is extremely dangerous and the cumulative experience level of Hunters in Canada is quite low. Therefore there are many inexperienced hunters in the field, regardless of age or experience with other species. The only way to make this sport safer is through EFFECTIVE HUNTER EDUCATION.
When turkey hunting you are hunting in full Camo on the ground, calling and using decoys that are positioned very close to you. The vocal nature of the birds is an invitation for other hunters to move towards the sound. NO OTHER TYPE OF HUNTING HAS ALL OF THESE SPECIFIC ASPECTS!
This isn't rocket science and dozens of studies prove what I am saying. In the States that have adopted SPECIFIC TURKEY HUNTING EDUCATION the accident rates have dropped off dramatically.
One of the biggest problems with the hunters is attitude... just like some of the flakes posting here. They think that just because they have hunted ducks and deer with a modicum of success that they are Elmer Kieth! More like Elmer Fudd!
There a probably only a couple dozen Hunters on this Board that have been successfully Hunting Turkeys for more than five or six Years! And likely half of that that have been hunting them Twenty years. Out of those Hunters only a handful have shot more than a couple of birds in their careers!
My Point? Turkey Hunting is a relatively new sport that is extremely dangerous and the cumulative experience level of Hunters in Canada is quite low. Therefore there are many inexperienced hunters in the field, regardless of age or experience with other species. The only way to make this sport safer is through EFFECTIVE HUNTER EDUCATION.
Julian is an experienced Turkey Hunter, of that there is no doubt. I have not heard much from him lately... prolly in the field doing it instead of talking about it.Waterfowler said:I would hire you and Julian to teach it, and me and Constablex would pepper spray or taser anyone that wasn't paying attention.
Going out Saturday... got a tag left?
Holy crap that is 9000 posts... I need to get out from behind this desk... I am going Turkey hunting right now!
