Turkey Hunters - careful out there

BIGREDD said:
It is both...
The only way to make this sport safer is through EFFECTIVE HUNTER EDUCATION.:)
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The only thing you have shown is that Turkey hunters can't follow the common safety rules. Not that they are any different.

My point still stands, when you have the gun in YOUR HAND, the safety aspect is still the same, and you have to make damn sure of what you are shooting at.

As for being on the receiving end. you've got to be kidding yourself that a few hours of hunters ed is going to change the way a hunter feels about safety. They either care about it, or they don't. and when they dont... this thread shows the results. Even people who have hundred of hours of hunters ed, don't seem to want to follow common safety rules.
 
ckc123 said:
The only thing you have shown is that Turkey hunters can't follow the common safety rules. Not that they are any different.

My point still stands, when you have the gun in YOUR HAND, the safety aspect is still the same, and you have to make damn sure of what you are shooting at.

As for being on the receiving end. you've got to be kidding yourself that a few hours of hunters ed is going to change the way a hunter feels about safety. They either care about it, or they don't. and when they dont... this thread shows the results. Even people who have hundred of hours of hunters ed, don't seem to want to follow common safety rules.
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Your argument that everyone that has had a turkey hunting accident does not care about safety is absurd! Your point not only does not stand scrutiny but is totally vacuous and your attitude toward safety is rediculously simplistic! This type of thinking is common and is indicative of the dangers with the sport!
You completely missed the point and content of my post and your lack of comprehension only proves the need for more education!
How about doing some reading, here are just a few links that support my argument... try reading each sentence slowly and concentrate hard on the big words.
I am done with you.:wave:

http://www.bobhumphrey.com/content.html
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/03/050310175451.htm
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_kmens/is_200503/ai_n13275548
http://www.maine.gov/ifw/hunttrap/turkeyhunting.htm
http://msucares.com/news/print/fwnews/fw97/970331ds.htm
 
BIGREDD said:
Your argument that everyone that has had a turkey hunting accident does not care about safety is absurd!
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Actually it's two things 1) people who've had an accident didn't follow common safety practices, and 2) a hunters ed course is not going to change the views of a hunter who don't care about safety already (and are just taking the course to get the license)

you havn't made a point all on how safety for turkey is any different from any other game thats hunted. all you've done is shown how people who do care about thier own safety have to FEAR getting shot from those who do not care about others safety.

Lots of nice big words to again show that you haven't proven your original claim.
 
BIGREDD said:
Julian is an experienced Turkey Hunter, of that there is no doubt. I have not heard much from him lately... prolly in the field doing it instead of talking about it.;)
Going out Saturday... got a tag left?
Holy crap that is 9000 posts... I need to get out from behind this desk... I am going Turkey hunting right now!
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Those who can, do and those he can't, sell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :dancingbanana: I hope Julian sees this post!!!

I have a tag left, been saving it till now, as I am off till next Wed night. Got 2different spots holding a longbeard and jake in both spots. Unless of course you want me to come down and show you what this SP-10 does to a turkey!!:D
 
ckc123 said:
Actually it's two things 1) people who've had an accident didn't follow common safety practices, and 2) a hunters ed course is not going to change the views of a hunter who don't care about safety already (and are just taking the course to get the license)

you havn't made a point all on how safety for turkey is any different from any other game thats hunted. all you've done is shown how people who do care about thier own safety have to FEAR getting shot from those who do not care about others safety.

Lots of nice big words to again show that you haven't proven your original claim.
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If the course and the content were effective those without the knowledge would not get their license... that would include you.
It is now obvious to me that you are not a Hunter... nor do you comprehend past the trailer park equivalent.
Next.:onCrack:
 
BIGREDD said:
It is now obvious to me that you are not a Hunter... nor do you comprehend past the trailer park equivalent.
Next.:onCrack:
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Ahh.. there we have it.. you can't prove your point so your resort to personal attacks.. Typical..

(Been hunting over 10 years. BTW you still have not shown what yout special safety measures are that only turkey hunters need to know. )
 
ckc123 said:
Ahh.. there we have it.. you can't prove your point so your resort to personal attacks.. Typical..

(Been hunting over 10 years. BTW you still have not shown what yout special safety measures are that only turkey hunters need to know. )
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Well, here's one for you: other hunters in the same bush will NOT be wearing blaze orange... and that means you won't be picking them up in your peripheral vision as other hunters, initially. Doesn't give you a clear to shoot the unidentified target, but in ONTARIO its an important piece of bush sense.
 
Skip said:
you won't be picking them up in your peripheral vision as other hunters, initially. Doesn't give you a clear to shoot the unidentified target, but in ONTARIO its an important piece of bush sense.
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You are 100% right. But this does just apply to turkey hunters (I've never seen someone hunt grouse in blaze orange either, they there's 10x the walking/flushing with grouse then there is with turkeys )

Actually for turkey this is less of any issue due to the need to remain more still then other game.
 
In ontario, the only species you can gun hunt without blaze is turkey - this why they've tried to put so much emphasis in the course about safety - hopefully to avoid the kind of thing that just happened. The corollary of course is that wearing blaze when going after turkeys is dumb because the turkeys can see it, illegal because dumb hunters keep mistaking it for redheads and blasting. Whoever said above that "noise is not a target", nailed it.
 
Skip said:
In ontario, the only species you can gun hunt without blaze is turkey -
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Not correct. During the closed season for deer and moose you can hunt anything without having to wear blaze orange. I typically wear some but not always the full 400 sq. in.

From the regulations summary.

Hunter Orange
The objective of the hunter orange regulation is to maximize
hunter safety without negatively impacting hunting success.
Under this regulation, all licensed hunters, including archery
hunters hunting during the gun season for deer and moose, are
required to wear hunter orange. As well, all black bear hunters
hunting during the black bear season are required to wear hunter
orange except when in a tree stand. (This exception is in place
because, unlike deer and moose, black bears have colour vision.)

Waterfowl hunters, wild turkey hunters and archery hunters in
archery-only areas are exempt from the hunter orange requirement.
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ckc123 said:
Ahh.. there we have it.. you can't prove your point so your resort to personal attacks.. Typical..

(Been hunting over 10 years. BTW you still have not shown what yout special safety measures are that only turkey hunters need to know. )
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Did you read the links... obviously not or you would see that I proved my point three posts ago. How about you post some pictures of the turkeys you have shot... then maybe I will take you seriously.. until then your just Trolling... not a Turkey hunter... not even a hunter as far as I can tell.
ckc123 said:
You are 100% right. But this does just apply to turkey hunters (I've never seen someone hunt grouse in blaze orange either, they there's 10x the walking/flushing with grouse then there is with turkeys )

Actually for turkey this is less of any issue due to the need to remain more still then other game.
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If you had bothered to read the links that I had provided you would already know that Turkey hunting is far more dangerous than grouse hunting.
No personal attacks just the facts, that you tend to ignore.:rolleyes:
 
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Claybuster said:
Not correct. During the closed season for deer and moose you can hunt anything without having to wear blaze orange. I typically wear some but not always the full 400 sq. in.

From the regulations summary.
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My bad. I knew that. :redface: Well, that shows you how often I get out anymore. Chalk that up to a "senior moment" and what happens when dip into the well of experience and come up polluted... :)
 
Red, I'll type real slow cause it seems you can't distinguish between two different thing.

Cause and Effect.

The Cause of of why people get shot during turkey season, is what I'm talking about.

The Effect, is that since turkey hunters can't follow the same simple rules, it forces them to have to take extra measues to protect themselves against other hunters (I'm not debating this point)

I'm saying that the Cause, is that turkey hunters (the guy looking down the barrel, and pulling the trigger) cannot seem to follow the same basic safety principles that apply to any other game 1) clearly identify your target 2) know what's behind it 3) safe gun handling (finger on trigger, use of safety, traveling through the bush etc)

If the morons could follow those rules you would not need the 'Effect' which is the need for anyone else (not behind the gun) to have to wear an orange flag, cover their bird/decoys so that they don't get shot themselves.

When hunter orange was introduced, it was effective. Why??? Cause there are a lot of morons who can't identify their targets or know what is behind it. The same situation you see know with turkey hunters. 'Education' of deer hunters did not seem to drop the injury rate, only the use of a preventitive measue like hunter orange.

The unsafe hunters have not gone away or been educated to act safer, they have just moved into turkey hunting.
(For which even I worry about my safety when I'm in the forest during turkey season)
 
ckc123 said:
Red, I'll type real slow cause it seems you can't distinguish between two different thing.

Cause and Effect.

The Cause of of why people get shot during turkey season, is what I'm talking about.

The Effect, is that since turkey hunters can't follow the same simple rules, it forces them to have to take extra measues to protect themselves against other hunters (I'm not debating this point)

I'm saying that the Cause, is that turkey hunters (the guy looking down the barrel, and pulling the trigger) cannot seem to follow the same basic safety principles that apply to any other game 1) clearly identify your target 2) know what's behind it 3) safe gun handling (finger on trigger, use of safety, traveling through the bush etc)

If the morons could follow those rules you would not need the 'Effect' which is the need for anyone else (not behind the gun) to have to wear an orange flag, cover their bird/decoys so that they don't get shot themselves.

When hunter orange was introduced, it was effective. Why??? Cause there are a lot of morons who can't identify their targets or know what is behind it. The same situation you see know with turkey hunters. 'Education' of deer hunters did not seem to drop the injury rate, only the use of a preventitive measue like hunter orange.

The unsafe hunters have not gone away or been educated to act safer, they have just moved into turkey hunting.
(For which even I worry about my safety when I'm in the forest during turkey season)
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This post would be laughable except for that it serves to strengthen my position that Education is neccesary for hunters and especially Turkey Hunters.

You obviously do not even understand the definition of "Cause and Effect"

Cause and effect is the relationship between two things when one thing makes something else happen. For example, "if we do not properly identify our target and we pull the trigger, we shoot something we shouldn't!"

Another good example is "If we do not get the proper training and education, the number of Turkey Hunting accidents go up!"

How about this one "When someone who has limited comprehension and Turkey Hunting experience posts a rediculous opinion, he comes off looking like a Turkey!":D :dancingbanana:
 
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ckc123 said:
You are 100% right. But this does just apply to turkey hunters (I've never seen someone hunt grouse in blaze orange either, they there's 10x the walking/flushing with grouse then there is with turkeys )

Actually for turkey this is less of any issue due to the need to remain more still then other game.
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if you are hunting during the center fire seasons of deer & moose you need to have your orange on in ontario while hunting grouse
 
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