Turning my restricted gun into a prohibited

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I'm looking at after market accessories for my SL8, USC and M4. Where would I find the laws listed to ensure that I don't make them prohibited? Also, thanks to those who lead me to accessory web sites. With the U.S. sites, will I have any issues trying to bring in a stock for the USC? Thanks for your help guys. I love this website. Unfortunately, I don't get high speed internet, so many of my questions are probably already answered elsewhere, but it would take me all night to navigate the site to try to find them.

Thanks again.
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You can't legally convert a restricted into a prohibited. If you convert a prohib into a restricted, the firearm in question has now permanently lost it's prohib status (in other words, don't make a 12.6 G26 into a restricted G26 with extended barrel just cause it's a good deal. ;))
 
it you make a non restricted or restricted just "look" like a prohib model then its not automatically PROHIB

its like useing a real deal fin made valmet m78 rec to assemble an akm lookalike

its still non restricted as long as barrel is over 18.5" or you turn the nonrestricted m78 into a restricted due to barrel length

confused yet???

welcome to canadian laws
 
What did you have in mind?

The only way to make an SL8 prohib would be to cut the barrel down or make it full auto. Adding things like optics and folding stocks won't hurt it.
 
its simple power, if your m78 had a 18.5'+ barrel its non restricted

if you were to remove the barrel and trunny and install lets say an akm trunny and barrel youd have one thats 16" or so therefore restricted due to length


now yes you could go the rpk barrel and trunny route giveing you that ak look while staying non restricted

anyone IE dealers wanna check the up to date frt and see if this has happened???
 
The M78 naysayers are soooo frustrating!!! here's the skinny:

You are legally NOT allowed to chop the original barrel to less than 18.5". You can, however, install a FACTORY barrel that is shorter (like putting a 12.5" dlask barrel on a Remmy 870, for example, gets around it being "sawed off"). If this barrle happens to be attached to a newly installed AKM trunion, that's OK. the receiver is still a Valmet M78 and the trunion is not the same as the receiver. It's a replaceable part.

Just don;t install anything close to full auto capability and you are legal within the text fo the law.

And yes, there is an FRT number for it. If you happen to be a verifyer, you would have access to it. ;)
 
Claven2 said:
You can, however, install a FACTORY barrel that is shorter (like putting a 12.5" dlask barrel on a Remmy 870, for example, gets around it being "sawed off"). If this barrle happens to be attached to a newly installed AKM trunion, that's OK. the receiver is still a Valmet M78 and the trunion is not the same as the receiver. It's a replaceable part.
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but with the shotgun it started as a non-restricted and stays a non-restricted.

i tried for about 3 months dealing with the CFC and RCMP and they all said you cannot legal turn a nonrestricted into a restricted any way shape or form. they both told me over and over again that it becomes prohibited

the gun i was playing with at the time was a 14inch 870, and trying to install a pistol grip and have it re-registered. i even asked if i could have a manufacturer remake the reciever, they told me NO. once nonrestricted it can never be restricted is what i was told by the alphabet people over and over again.
 
P0WERWAGON said:
but with the shotgun it started as a non-restricted and stays a non-restricted.

i tried for about 3 months dealing with the CFC and RCMP and they all said you cannot legal turn a nonrestricted into a restricted any way shape or form. they both told me over and over again that it becomes prohibited

the gun i was playing with at the time was a 14inch 870, and trying to install a pistol grip and have it re-registered. i even asked if i could have a manufacturer remake the reciever, they told me NO. once nonrestricted it can never be restricted is what i was told by the alphabet people over and over again.
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A 14" with a pistol grip is a prohib due to length...a wee bit different, eh?? :rolleyes:
 
no it is not different. a FACTORY OAL less than 26. thats restricted. barrel length less than 18.5 for semi, thats restricted. same sh!T.

what about a krinker, 8 inch barrel AND OAL less than 26.

# rifles and shotguns that have been altered by sawing or other means so that their barrel length is less than 457 mm (about 18 inches)or their overall length is less than 660 mm (about 26 inches);
# full automatics;
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if it didn't come it in this form when made it becomes prohibited.
 
I think that is wrong. For example, you can put a factory VZ58 barrel onto a CZ858-2 and it will become restricted, but only due to barrle length.

Or an M1 carbine rebarrelled to be non-restricted can be restored with a factory restricted M1 carbine barrel.

Your 870, on the other hand, is prohibited because the OAL is under 26". If you left on the factory stock and put on a factory 12.5" barrel, it would be non-restricted.

You can do the same thing with a semi-auto shotty like an 11-87, but the factory barrel less than 18.5" will make it restricted as all semis less than 18.5" are either restricted or prohibited by name via OIC.
 
Here's another situation. Suppose a Remington model 7/600/700 had an XP100 barrel fitted to it. Would this be the same legally as a 870 with a factory shorter barrel installed? Non-restricted as long as the overall length is greater than 26"?
 
tiriaq said:
Here's another situation. Suppose a Remington model 7/600/700 had an XP100 barrel fitted to it. Would this be the same legally as a 870 with a factory shorter barrel installed? Non-restricted as long as the overall length is greater than 26"?
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Should be the same.
 
Claven2 said:
I think that is wrong. For example, you can put a factory VZ58 barrel onto a CZ858-2 and it will become restricted, but only due to barrle length.

Or an M1 carbine rebarrelled to be non-restricted can be restored with a factory restricted M1 carbine barrel.

Your 870, on the other hand, is prohibited because the OAL is under 26". If you left on the factory stock and put on a factory 12.5" barrel, it would be non-restricted.

You can do the same thing with a semi-auto shotty like an 11-87, but the factory barrel less than 18.5" will make it restricted as all semis less than 18.5" are either restricted or prohibited by name via OIC.
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this can't be done either. the alphabet people told me NO. i asked about a classic green. non-restricted and installing a carbine barrel onto it. they told me that a firearm can never change status from nonrestricted to restricted. they kept telling me over and over that you cannot reregister a nonrestricted into a restrict.

that is why i want to see some proof in the form of an FRT that says other.
 
Well - they are misinformed - or you didn't hear them right...there are a few current semi-auto centerfire rifles sharing restricted and non-status, merely because of a barrel length change.
 
DaveGP said:
Well - they are misinformed - or you didn't hear them right...there are a few current semi-auto centerfire rifles sharing restricted and non-status, merely because of a barrel length change.
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please give me the FRT numbers for these then. i cannot find one and the guy at the RCMP won't hear it any other way from me. the CFC has flagged my peticular case and always ask about what the firearms tech from the RCMP has to say.
 
Well - now that you asked nicely...something old, something new.
Start with the M1 Carbine... 26608-6 is restricted, 26608-8 is not
How about the HK G36... 121152-1 is restricted, 117453-1 is not
SIG SG540... 120819-14 - restricted, 120819-16 - non...
This one is quite interesting, as it's also a prohib class with the same model number!
You're welcome...:D
 
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Its all very well that there are different FRT numbers for versions with different barrel lengths, with non-restricted or restricted classifications. But if the folks at the Registry point blank refuse to allow reclassification, what do you do?
Interestingly, you are required to report any alterations that would result in a change in classification. But only certain changes are accepted. For example, prohibited pistols with barrels under 105mm can be rebarrelled and reclassified as restricted.
I do not believe that there is any law which defines what reclassifications are or are not allowed. It would seem that some arbitrary decisions are being made, without specific legal authority.
 
i asked them about a M1 carbine. he told me i could put the longer barrel onto it, but i could never reinstall the shorter one.

the kept telling me over and over that the process is

Prohibited---->Restricted(12.6 pistols) or Restricted----->Nonrestricted. over and over they told me only can go in that direction.
 
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