Two interesting pieces relating to Cecil the lion....

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Game of Kings... Lions... Do we blame Cecil for Quinn's Death?

While leading a bush walk with guests of Camp Hwange on the morning of 24 August 2015, Quinn Swales (40), a fully qualified and very experienced Zimbabwean Professional Guide, was tragically and fatally mauled by an adult male lion....
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http://www.africanhunteronline.com/ahc12



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Lion Conservation Under Threat - Cecil the Lion The Facts

There is a very real chance that sport hunting of lion could be dealt a death blow in the near future, and we all know what will happen then. All we have to do is look at Kenya, where the country on the one hand lauds itself for having banned all sport hunting in 1977, and then bemoans the fact that its lion population will be extinct within a decade - and that was half a decade ago. Its lions have no value to the rural villagers, and between habitat loss and their being killed off as stock predators - of course with no value - they have no chance.
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http://www.africanhunteronline.com/ahc11
 
If I dug around I could find the link - there was a follow-up story a few months after the "dust settled on Cecil".

(found the link - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...effect-leaves-parks-lion-at-risk-of-cull.html )

Because of all the bad press, nobody was booking hunting trips to the region (around the game preserve). The (park service) there had to pay to have 200 lions culled because the habitat couldn't support the numbers.

So instead of getting 10-15K per hunter for the 200 lions, in a region where the average "yearly income" is measured in hundreds of dollars, they got "nothing".

As Hoyt notes - the situation is far more complex than the average western bleeding heart can understand. The lions still died but the villagers that benefited from the money brought into the area have lost a major source of income.

Lose lose for everyone involved.

But hey, mark up a win for the tree huggers - they certain made a "difference"...
 
The place you are thinking about is the Bubye Valley Conservancy (BVC) in Zimbabwe.

They have a very successful lion conservation program and were publicly talking about culling 200 lions due to the decline in booked lion hunts in the wake of the "Cecil" media sh*t storm. Lions are prolific (90 day gestation with several cubs being born to a lioness), they eat a lot of game that might otherwise be shot by paying hunters (reasonably expensive animals like buffalo and eland, for example), and nobody wants to take your "extra" lions. So, the solution is have your staff cull a couple hundred (so they don't keep hammering your "bread and butter animals) and bury them.

When I was in the BVC in 2011, they had an estimated population of 250 lions. By 2013 that number had increased to over 500. My understanding is that they conducted a similar cull after we left. Clearly, the problem has come back, but this time they went public, probably in an effort to educate people about the realities of game management.

galamb said:
If I dug around I could find the link - there was a follow-up story a few months after the "dust settled on Cecil".

Because of all the bad press, nobody was booking hunting trips to the region (around the game preserve). The (park service) there had to pay to have 200 lions culled because the habitat couldn't support the numbers.

So instead of getting 10-15K per hunter for the 200 lions, in a region where the average "yearly income" is measured in hundreds of dollars, they got "nothing".

As Hoyt notes - the situation is far more complex than the average western bleeding heart can understand. The lions still died but the villagers that benefited from the money brought into the area have lost a major source of income.

Lose lose for everyone involved.

But hey, mark up a win for the tree huggers - they certain made a "difference"...
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And with legal hunting banned,you can be sure poaching is on the upswing...the best guides were former poachers..and without a guiding job,will go back to poaching,people will feed their families,one way or another.But kudo's to the politically correct, they can hold their heads high that they shut down legal hunting-but not killing
 
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The tree huggers won't own up to this, though. They will move on to the next "save the planet" issue that needs to be meddled in - and ruined.

Idea!!!!!! We could send our very own CGN.... aw jeez, Id better not. I'll get pinked for sure! :p
 
It frustrates me to no end that the people that get involved in these social campaigns to end hunting can't see the damage they do. Our land in RSA has self sustaining herds of many species that I can guarantee you wouldn't be there if it wasn't for hunters dollars.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWxvZyAygb8

This video explains what really happens when you stop hunting ... I have used it recently to convince fence sitters exactly which side of the fence they should be on when it comes to African hunting.
 
Ducks Unlimited is proof hunters have contributed hugely to the overall environment and habitat that benefits many species
 
I am proof of that. I only began contributing to Ducks Unlimited and the OFAH after I began hunting. Suddenly, I had a reason to care that duck habitat was preserved. I suddenly cared about turkey, deer and upland habitat too. Money is what's needed, not political well wishes. A good incentive is to provide a tangible benefit to the person donating their time and or effort.
 
A bit annoying but pretty decent for getting the point across to the "Save the animals, but don't judge me while I eat this burger...that clearly grew in a styrofoam tray" type.

 
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