Two Uppers - One Lower

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I just finished building my second AR upper. Question I have is how does this work with registration?

Do I have to "call it in" every time I want to swap between the 10.5 inch barr and the 16 inch?


I called the CFC but the information officer didnt really understand what I was talking about.
 
The lower is the registered component of the firearm and since changing out the upper does not effect its classification as restricted, then you should never have to call the CFO to update. The only exception would be if you sell the rifle in a different length then when you bought it. Then you might want to update the CFO to avoid confusion between the buyer and the CFO.
 
I could be wrong, but I don't think it matters. The lower is the regi'd part, its already classed as restriced and both barrels are already less than 470mm. what does your regi cert say? Does it say 'less than 470mm'? It may not even have the exact barrel length printed on it.
 
In the regulations you have 30 days to notify the CFC of changes to a firearm. So long as the original upper is available to be installed at least once a month than there is no need for notifying the CFC. For sake of apeasing a patrol or traffic cop who might barely have knowledge of the firearms act. Transport the rifle with the registered barrel attached. The second barrel is no different from a second barrel for a shot gun. Just a piece of pipe with some fancy bits attached.

Just cause it isn't illegal doesn't mean you wont get a hard time, technically it isn't illegal for me to walk the streets of Toronto with shot gun on my back so long as it is unloaded and it is not pointed at anyone but how fast would I be eating ashphalt or worse?
 
you can have the lower registered as "frame/receiver only".

It wont have a barrel length associated with it, and you have to let the CFO know within 30 days of attaching an upper. So, if you're switching uppers constantly or even storing the weapon with the upper/lower seperated, you're good to go!
 
You have 30 days to notify the CFP of changes.
The requirement does not specifiy that the change has to exist after 30 days, only that it was made.
I suppose you could get the cert. amended to list all the barrel lengths.
If you really wanted to know, you could work your way through the system until you found someone who might give you a definitive answer.
Keep in mind that the firearm description in the Registry is more detailed than what is on the certificate. And if you are selling a firearm, the description has to match what is recorded, for an easy transfer. If your AR is registered with a 20" barrel, and you sell it with a 14.5" one, the transfer will grind to a halt until the description is amended.
 
After a little search - this thread seems to touch on something I was thinking about - Since the registered part of an AR is the lower, the upper is just considered "parts" - right?

So, if an AR upper was permanently modified to fit on a NON-AR, non-restricted lower (from one in which the Upper is the registered part) - you'd have 2 non-registered "parts", which I assume would have to be checked & registered by the RCMP - correct?

Last question - assuming a barrel length over over 18.5" - would this be non-restricted?
 
dbala said:
So, if an AR upper was permanently modified to fit on a NON-AR, non-restricted lower (from one in which the Upper is the registered part) - you'd have 2 non-registered "parts", which I assume would have to be checked & registered by the RCMP - correct
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Why in the name of God would you want to do that?
Are you a masochist?
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dbala said:
... So, if an AR upper was permanently modified to fit on a NON-AR, non-restricted lower (from one in which the Upper is the registered part) - you'd have 2 non-registered "parts", which I assume would have to be checked & registered by the RCMP - correct?
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Nice try, but no soup today.

dbala said:
Last question - assuming a barrel length over over 18.5" - would this be non-restricted?
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Nyet, nyet Soviet. The AR15 family is restricted by name, not barrel length.
 
Yeah - it was more of a philosophical question :)

I know the AR is restricted by name - but the upper isn't actually the "AR" part is it - since the lower is registered...?
 
So, if an AR upper was permanently modified to fit on a NON-AR, non-restricted lower (from one in which the Upper is the registered part) - you'd have 2 non-registered "parts", which I assume would have to be checked & registered by the RCMP - correct?
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The RCMP will classify any lower that accepts a standard AR upper as an "AR lower" and thus a restricted firearm. There will never be such a thing as a non-restricted lower to which a standard AR upper could be attached and function.

We went through that at the shop when we designed a non-AR lower to fit the 50 BMG AR uppers. The RCMP wouldn't classify the lower as non-restricted until a standard AR upper could not possibly fit or fire on it. It went to really ridiculous lengths that left us shaking our heads.
 
Gotcha - I suspected as much. In a way I see their logic.

So the only way is a permanently modified upper that cannot be attached to an AR lower - in which case why bother, since one of the main advantages of the AR is the interchangeability & availability of parts.
 
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