**TYPE 81 7.62X39 SERVICE RIFLE** ~Now on the way~ -Last chance!

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fenceline said:
If you had access to the frt and read the information on how the other importers type 81 was deemed a converted auto, specifically that part of the receiver trunnions were from a full auto, then you'd see what I mean.

The type 81 TI had for a sample was all new. Thus NR and R. If they built the same model reusing parts from a full auto (ie trunnions) it would trigger a new parent frt parent entry.

And it wouldn't fall under the 1 year freeze, because they would not edit the semi auto frt. They'd make a new parent frt to represent the different action classification.
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And yet again you are building a scenario on assumption and no facts.
From your post " If they built the same model reusing parts from a full auto (ie trunnions) it would trigger a new parent frt parent entry...."
Do you realise that "if" is just your assumption ?
Cheers
 
FSB said:
And yet again you are building a scenario on assumption and no facts.
From your post " If they built the same model reusing parts from a full auto (ie trunnions) it would trigger a new parent frt parent entry...."
Do you realise that "if" is just your assumption ?
Cheers
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Pretty sure fenceline was just explaining a scenerio for those saying the 1 year clause makes it untouchable and he is not saying that's what they did do. If it was made the same as the lab sample there should be no issues.
 
FSB said:
And yet again you are building a scenario on assumption and no facts.
From your post " If they built the same model reusing parts from a full auto (ie trunnions) it would trigger a new parent frt parent entry...."
Do you realise that "if" is just your assumption ?
Cheers
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It's not an assumption. It's a scenario. It would happen if built that way.
 
fenceline said:
It's not an assumption. It's a scenario. It would happen if built that way.
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The only known facts are:
- rifles were manufactured to specs and randomly inspected.
- they are shipped as complying with the current FRT.
Unless you were present in the factory during the manufacturing and got some evidence of non compliance, everything else are baseless speculations and imaginary scenarios.
Lets wait and see what the reality is without puting so much effort exploring "if"s
Cheers
 
Tell that to the other type 81 importer that were deemed converted auto for the exact scenario I've given.

I'm not saying one or any of this batch will be reclassified.

I'm saying the current frt for semi autos won't need to be altered if they find one built on full auto trunnions. They'll make a new parent entry to reflect that different action. Like they did in the 1919s by tnw.

The "locked after one year" frt entry doesn't offer any safety. Can't change it, but nothing says they won't or can't add a new, different parent entry for a converted auto.

Fact... FRT Legal Comments for the Type 81 "semi auto" sample from the competition...

"1) The TYPE 81, Receiver/Frame is considered to be comprised of four parts/components:
a) the Front Trunnion/Rear Sight Block;
b) the Ejector Block;
c) the Rear Trunnion/Return Spring Catch; and,
d) the stamped steel rectangular channel portion to which the other receiver/frame components are permanently affixed by rivet and/or weld.

2) For regulatory purposes, when the receiver/frame is further disassembled, the receiver/frame component known as the Front Trunion/Rear Sight Block, where the manufacturer information and serial number are found, is used to establish the description for the purpose of firearms registration.

3) When the receiver/frame is further disassembled and reduced to its four components, the component that bears the serial number, model and factory number, (the Front Trunnion/Rear Sight Block), will be considered the Receiver/Frame.

4) The classification of this firearm as a semi-automatic firearm is based on the presumption that none of the original four (4) receiver components were reused. This is what was understood to be the meaning of the claim by the manufacturer that the firearm is a "newly manufactured semi-automatic firearm".

5) The Criminal Code PART III, Section 84 para (c) definition - prohibited firearm means, "an automatic firearm, whether or not it has been altered to discharge only one projectile with one pressure of the trigger. "


As long as every gun is built with new parts, they are all fine. And TI say they have been. If they aren't, and one comes in, that specific gun will be considered C/A, and a new frt with the same make, model and manufacture with be generated by the RCMP, and a new parent FRT entry made for the C/A action. They won't modify the semi auto FRT, and their won't be a mass reclassification. It would be gun specific, depending on construction.
 
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Sinbad said:
This thread is going to be another gong show like the last type 81 thread. I really hope TI locks it.
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TI has done a lot of leg work. They are aware of the pitfalls faced by others and have taken steps to ensure they don't happen with these builds.

Things will be fine.

But knowing how others failed, and why, isn't a bad thing. People would do well to have a better understanding of the processes at hand.
 
BlackVoid said:
You pick up an advertising with Type 81 assault rifle with green furniture, create 08/2017 FRT entry "Type 81green" and call it prohibited. After that no Type 81 ever be allowed in as they will be a variant of Type 81 green.
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No. They can't do it like that for the Type 81. What you are talking about is the cz858 which was prohibited as a converted auto. It is still considered a converted auto, but now an OIC exists stating specific versions of the 858, with very specific model names in the oic are exempt from prohibition because of their converted auto status. 858 Spartan was not on the oic list and as still considered a converted auto, it is prohibited without the oic coverage.

No oic is needed for the type 81. Especially not an OIC for a different gun, the 858.
 
fenceline said:
No. They can't do it like that for the Type 81. What you are talking about is the cz858 which was prohibited as a converted auto. It is still considered a converted auto, but now an OIC exists stating specific versions of the 858, with very specific model names in the oic are exempt from prohibition because of their converted auto status. 858 Spartan was not on the oic list and as still considered a converted auto, it is prohibited without the oic coverage.

No oic is needed for the type 81. Especially not an OIC for a different gun, the 858.
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I am not arguing about Type 81, I am giving you an example that lab can come up with made up FRT any time it wants. there is no ####ing spartan rifle, it's the same one as in OIC.
 
BlackVoid said:
I am not arguing about Type 81, I am giving you an example that lab can come up with made up FRT any time it wants. there is no ####ing spartan rifle, it's the same one as in OIC.
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The 858s of issue are all still considered converted autos.

The 858 Spartan isn't listed on the oic as exempt from prohibition. Whether Spartan is a model or not would be for a judge to decide. None exist now, except as parts in another model of 858. So it isn't a thing anymore.

Law is a funny thing. It can be that cut and dry. But the 858 issue does not apply to the Type 81. Green furniture won't matter. Fear not.

But the frt is an RCMP invention. It isn't law. It's an encyclopedia of where guns fall under the law. The law is still the driving force. The law just has a lot of twists.
 
Great looking rifle I'm thinking of ordering a folder. I've been following the thread when I can so apologies if this has been asked: given that there was such a wait for these units will this be the only batch being brought in? If parts kits are on the way this could be quite the unicorn for my collection. If they will be a regular item then even better; I like the price point.
So is it one and done?
 
Sorry guys we have been informed today that the factory decided that the non-spec wood would not be included with the rifles, for a number of reasons including:
-the chance of clients having issues swapping the wood
-the gun boxes were not designed to have another set of wood hardware inside, they didn't want to risk the possibility of the hardware on the wood damaging the blued finish during transport
-the non-spec wood looks pretty bad, they did not want to chance there being a bunch of guns out there with people that didn't bother to swap the wood and ended up circulating around

Good news is that they will come from the factory as pictured, no work required
 
angrysoldier said:
I placed an order two weeks ago over the phone and haven't been billed. Tried emails and calling but I have not heard back. I'm done.
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Have you left a voicemail? Do you have our right email? Our policy is to try and return all phone calls and emails within 1 business day.
 
Tactical Imports said:
Sorry guys we have been informed today that the factory decided that the non-spec wood would not be included with the rifles, for a number of reasons including:
-the chance of clients having issues swapping the wood
-the gun boxes were not designed to have another set of wood hardware inside, they didn't want to risk the possibility of the hardware on the wood damaging the blued finish during transport
-the non-spec wood looks pretty bad, they did not want to chance there being a bunch of guns out there with people that didn't bother to swap the wood and ended up circulating around

Good news is that they will come from the factory as pictured, no work required
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Makes perfect sense. Would have been bonus to have an extra set of wood to play with though.
 
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