**TYPE 81 7.62X39 SERVICE RIFLE** ~Now on the way~ -Last chance!

[bfiles]

They are no better than any AK or SKS sight, but no worse either.

Just my opinion.

Eventually guys will dream up a decent red dot mount and everything will be awesome for those who need such devices.

Claven is correct. SKS,AK,VZ are all almost the exact same sights. (Minus grenade ranging bar T81).
I wouldn't mind seeing a company make a peep rear sight for these, could help for some of those with older eye sight.

Or again, once some optic mounts are made, even better then

 

[Claven2]

Looking at that sight picture it doesn't look too much different than one from an AK/SKS. That top bar is annoying for sure but can be overcome, it will mostly be a mental change for those of us used to more traditional sights.

Once some CGN'rs with younger eyes (and some skills) get a hold of these we will see some better groups posted. No shade thrown on those who have posted pictures so far, in fact their feedback about not being comfortable with the sights along with the group sizes seen so far is a good sign to me, these rifles are capable of much better, IMO.

Single loading or using a modified 5 Rd AK mag would seem the be a key factor in shooting tight groups from the bench methinks.

 

[762mm]

I'm not 100% sure how it works, but someone way back in this thread who used one in China said so. No, not Bumse Xiao.

Darn, that's unfortunate! I think Bumse Xiao was the only respectable source of info on actual combat use of the "Year 81 riffle", with all his special commando combat experience.

He did say he took out a group of Viet-Cong with the grenade launcher while sitting on a tactical toilet and going #2. Now that's combat skill.

 

[klaus enuff]

Single loading or using a modified 5 Rd AK mag would seem the be a key factor in shooting tight groups from the bench methinks.

Agreed, hard to go for groups with a big ol'banana mag hanging out of the gun. I also think ammo is going to come into play. Every poster so far has shot surplus. Wait till the handloaders start posting. I myself have chosen to lay up a pile of hornady SST steel case and S&B softpoint to try as my "premium" rounds for testing. For surplus I will be shooting czech and a couple flavours of chinese.

I am happy with the "accuracy" pics posted so far, we are only just starting to see what these rifles can do. Once a viable optic mounting solution is figured out I bet we will see regular 2-3 MOA groups.

 

[Jaylegger]

I don't get it... how is that bar used as a grenade sight?

I have yet to read any reference material for this rifle that indicates the bar is for ranging grenades. It's often referred to a "rear tangent sight under a rectangular protective hood."

Any ranging sight for grenades for this type of launcher I've seen so far consist of a flip up leaf sight and I really can't see how that one very low bar would be used for that.

 

[Adam134]

Lol so much hate for the sights but few have actually shot from them, we all knew the sights that were coming on this rifle for years.. See how you shoot with them before passing judgement, that's my 2 cents. I think these sights will be good but until my rifle arrives I can't argue either way

 

[GUB]

I am happy with the "accuracy" pics posted so far, we are only just starting to see what these rifles can do. Once a viable optic mounting solution is figured out I bet we will see regular 2-3 MOA groups.

Sure ..good rest,optics and ammo I agree.. But 5mom ++ with surplus and old tired eyes with no glucoma or cataracts yet

 

[mobusten]

No everything is centered. In order for a proper sight line my cheek must be in the dip of the rear stock, nose almost touching the receiver. Being that close to the rear sight I have a lot of light visible on either side of the front post.

The flat bar on top of the rear sight covers the top of the front sight guard.

Are you talking about the pictured sights or your personal sights? Because pictured, the front post has clearly been adjusted left of centre. So long as they shoot accurate, I'm fine. It's just the esthetic that bothers me.

 

[klaus enuff]

Not for certain but the body of the grenade could have aiming lines, lining up a low mark on the grenade with the rear sight would produce a higher arc and range, use an aiming line more toward the tip of the grenade for shorter ranges.

I have seen the youtuber Hickok45 describe using the base of his front sight or even further down to line up his rear sight to shoot longer distances with pistols. Not the first example of having a "proud" front sight to me but he explains it well.

 

[cr5]

I can't stand looking at a sight post that is so off centre. I hope they're not all like that.

I have pushed mine left, I'm hoping that when I shoot it further and sight it in properly I'll be moving it back over.

 

[Jaylegger]

Not for certain but the body of the grenade could have aiming lines, lining up a low mark on the grenade with the rear sight would produce a higher arc and range, use an aiming line more toward the tip of the grenade for shorter ranges.

I have seen the youtuber Hickok45 describe using the base of his front sight or even further down to line up his rear sight to shoot longer distances with pistols. Not the first example of having a "proud" front sight to me but he explains it well.

Funny I was thinking that very thing but shrugged it off with the assumption that except for Hickok45 these are meant to be fired with the rifle butt on the ground.

 

[Claven2]

I have yet to read any reference material for this rifle that indicates the bar is for ranging grenades. It's often referred to a "rear tangent sight under a rectangular protective hood."

Any ranging sight for grenades for this type of launcher I've seen so far consist of a flip up leaf sight and I really can't see how that one very low bar would be used for that.

The grenades themselves have a flip-up ladder on them that is somehow used in conjunction with the bar, as I understand it. Usage would not make sense unless the flip-up ladder is also present, from what I understand.

 

[derr12]

hickcock45 could fire rifle grenades dual wield. guy is a monster.

 

[sigpigs]

The bar on top of the rear sight is just for protection, troops complained that rear sight on the type 56s (both sks and ak) would lose the bluing after extended use, the rear sight would become silver, therefore increasing aiming time, that’s the reason why type 81s rear sights got the little bar.

 

[bfiles]

The bar on top of the rear sight is just for protection, troops complained that rear sight on the type 56s (both sks and ak) would lose the bluing after extended use, the rear sight would become silver, therefore increasing aiming time, that’s the reason why type 81s rear sights got the little bar.

Where did you read that??

Everything I have read up on te T81 always says that the top bar over the rear sight is used to aid in aiming for grenades

 

[Jaylegger]

The grenades themselves have a flip-up ladder on them that is somehow used in conjunction with the bar, as I understand it. Usage would not make sense unless the flip-up ladder is also present, from what I understand.

That's correct, I just found this image of a few grenades for the t81 and others that show the flip up on the tail of the grenades. The two on the left, though blurry, when enlarged clearly show distance marks.

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[Bulriver]

Are you talking about the pictured sights or your personal sights? Because pictured, the front post has clearly been adjusted left of centre. So long as they shoot accurate, I'm fine. It's just the esthetic that bothers me.

I was referring to my personal rifle sights. Centered with scribe mark on front sight base.

I also apply slight pressure to the rear top guard when rotating the knob to facilitate the top hand guard removal.

 

[semi-manual]

SKS Sight Tool $13.00 on Amazon

 

[GUB]

e-bay has a bunch
sight tools .. Not gernades

 

[762mm]

I have yet to read any reference material for this rifle that indicates the bar is for ranging grenades. It's often referred to a "rear tangent sight under a rectangular protective hood."

Any ranging sight for grenades for this type of launcher I've seen so far consist of a flip up leaf sight and I really can't see how that one very low bar would be used for that.

Exactly... I just can't picture it being used for grenades on its own either. Must be some other component to it.

As for the rear sight itself, I believe that the purpose of the bar serves another function as well: to have the shooter focus on his target and its immediate surroundings, kind of like the peep sights on Lee Enfields (same way of thinking). I actually don't mind it and find it cool for its uniqueness... kind of like a traditional sight and a peep sight in one.