Type 81 sr....
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KotKotofeich
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Might be interested if it's a Russian made scope and if the mount fits the SVD...
they did sent an email look up promo or junk.
I'm still not able to complete my order
My Visa statement is showing up as $2 credit then $2 debit each time I try and complete a checkout
My guess is they'll be on par with the LMGs... cus its essentially still the LMG.
It's not much fun shooting 7.62x39 at longer ranges in my experiences. Abysmal ballistics aside, there's virtually no high BC/match quality projectiles for reloaders in the caliber. So you're stuck with using expensive Hornady SST's in reloads, or bulk ammo that's going to be 2-3 MOA, which is going to be too inconsistent over 300m to score consistent hits and not frustrating. Compare this to other intermediate calibers like 223 or 6.5 Grendel and it makes even less sense.
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Ran my Type 81 LMG at a service rifle match last year using some steel cased Russian surplus. I know the ammo isn't the best but things were decent up to 300m. After that it just sort of fell apart. Took forever to get dialed in, and even then, on a 4ft screen it was hard to make hits. Add in a bit of wind and it was even harder. Obviously not really shocking.
I imagine it might be a bit better with some Hornady steel case SST ammo but if someone wants an accurate 7.62x39 I'd just buy a Howa or CZ and call it a day.
I've shot a lot of 125gr BT's at 700 yds from a 308W. Bigger case, better bullet.
As much as I've always wanted an SVD, I don't want one in 762x39. Years go I had a Mini Mauser in 762x39 and nothing I did could make that rifle accurate, not even Lapua ammo. IMO accuracy out of a 762x39 is a lost cause.
The platform is not build for the 7.62x54R or 308.
You have to go somewhere else.
Most people don't shoot past 200 m anyways and the 7.62x39 is perfect since it is widely available and can be bought in cheap surplus ammo.
Also, the market for a 7.62x54R would be considerably smaller and the rifle would be much more expensive.
Me, like many other people are not interested. It is a commercial product. You can have a custom sniper build from a SVT-40 but I heard those suck. in accuracy.
If you go long range shooting, buy a bolt action anyways.
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But they are blued, sigh - makes me happy. Wonder how the wood is in real.
The POSP scope looks very long in the back, so basically you have to buy a scope with it, also it only comes with the sticky pins if you order without scope, scope options are limited because of the placement and no mount available.
Most will order with the POSP scope, that's my guess. For $499 it is a good deal with the mount. Let's see how long it will take for the POSP to be sold out, lol.
He also reduced it to one magazine only, so people will buy additional mags.
I was looking to buy another rifle yesterday but the seller was not very accomodating - which I am glad about now.
The wood looks really clean in the pictures, i honestly thought the buttstock was a fake wood airsoft stock when i first saw the pictures.. thats how smooth i perceived it to be. Im sure in person the wood to steel fit will leave some to be desired as per the Type 81sa norm haha. The NPZ PO 4x24mm-1 optic is mostly normal by Russian side mount optic standards. The -1 signifies that it has the "Saiga" compatible clamp / base on the bottom. 3/4" of the black u see is the rubber eye cup. The end of the optics eye piece is situated where the guns dust cover ends, the rest is rubber. Use of the rubber eye cup is totally optional. Some prefer it, others hate it. I personally love them until im hunting in cold weather, then i usually take it off cus it tends to create fogging on the eyepiece. That fog takes forever to clear out with the rubber piece on.
The tube in front of the main body of the optic can be extended 3/4 the length of what u currently see in the form of sunshade. Aesthetically the look of that deployed to many helps balance out the ass heavy look of the optic setup.
What is a little different about the optic is the -1 and the design of that base. To make it compatible with the Saiga it indexes at the rear of the side rail it clamps to. Along with that it also raises the whole optic higher so it can clear the dust cover on AK pattern guns like the Saiga. These characteristics make it mostly what many would call an AK base / mount EXCEPT the -1 is missing the final characteristic other AK base / mounts have... a forward offset. The -1 clearly doesnt have it. Why NPZ designed it like this must have something to do with the side rail placement of the Saiga hunting rifles they market them for in Russia. So this optic setup does sit back maybe an inch further then other AK side mount optics like POSPs. This may also be why TI had to make a new side rail to utilize this optic setup... a rail that sits further forward then their "Kobra rail".
A con to this is the side rail TI made to support this optic will make other AK base optics sit too far forward. And yet at the same time wont support SVD base optics cus the rail sits too low. So its basically only good for this exact optic setup. Which is fine if this is the only optic ud plan to run on the gun. It certainly is a great choice and price for the optic.
Here a NPZ PO 4x24mm optic sits on my Tabuk Sniper clone. It is the SVD base, not the Saiga -1 version. Like TI indicated on their website, many will probably discover that theyll want a shell deflector to protect the optic. This one sports a " POSP shell deflector " purchased from vz58rifle dot com in Czech Rep.
Heres the same optic on my bubba'ed SKS. With the sunshade deployed.
The tube in front of the main body of the optic can be extended 3/4 the length of what u currently see in the form of sunshade. Aesthetically the look of that deployed to many helps balance out the ass heavy look of the optic setup.
What is a little different about the optic is the -1 and the design of that base. To make it compatible with the Saiga it indexes at the rear of the side rail it clamps to. Along with that it also raises the whole optic higher so it can clear the dust cover on AK pattern guns like the Saiga. These characteristics make it mostly what many would call an AK base / mount EXCEPT the -1 is missing the final characteristic other AK base / mounts have... a forward offset. The -1 clearly doesnt have it. Why NPZ designed it like this must have something to do with the side rail placement of the Saiga hunting rifles they market them for in Russia. So this optic setup does sit back maybe an inch further then other AK side mount optics like POSPs. This may also be why TI had to make a new side rail to utilize this optic setup... a rail that sits further forward then their "Kobra rail".
A con to this is the side rail TI made to support this optic will make other AK base optics sit too far forward. And yet at the same time wont support SVD base optics cus the rail sits too low. So its basically only good for this exact optic setup. Which is fine if this is the only optic ud plan to run on the gun. It certainly is a great choice and price for the optic.
Here a NPZ PO 4x24mm optic sits on my Tabuk Sniper clone. It is the SVD base, not the Saiga -1 version. Like TI indicated on their website, many will probably discover that theyll want a shell deflector to protect the optic. This one sports a " POSP shell deflector " purchased from vz58rifle dot com in Czech Rep.
Heres the same optic on my bubba'ed SKS. With the sunshade deployed.
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As Murray pointed out, the side mount will only work with this specific optic, for various reasons. I have a POSP side mounted scope but it will not work with this setup. Have to bubba a SKS I guess. Apart, for $499 I don't have to worry, fair price.
Better watch the build process on his youtube page before making such statement.
Murray is a perfectionist and a lot of labour goes into his builds.
ah ah so true.
I have several bolt actions. I want an SVD ... or the closest thing to it ... at least in the correct caliber.
then wait forever.
People always want what they cannot have. An original SVD is around $30K US in the United states. I am not even sure there is one in Canada, and if so, they are prohibited. Imagine how jealous the Americans must be. First the type 81, now the sniper. A type 81 LMG sold for over $30K US last year in the US, just imagine. Over here people like you probably call it ugly.
It is pretty amazing that we can have one - which reassembles it - here in Canada at a reasonable price - advantage of mass production. TI listened to us, well maybe not to you.
It is basically a LMG with the looks of a SVD. What else do we want? Spend 200 hours and countless money making our own?
I did not hesitate one second to buy one, just needed a second to figure out the configuration - and I think I made the right decision with the NPZ scope.
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