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Travis Bickle said:
Okay sorry you're right, it's an SKS with a rotating bolt, pistol grip and AK47 return spring lolol
Oh and a probably $1K price tag.
Don't get all pissy because you're a hair closer to what you think is an AK47 but still just a factory upgraded SKS in an AK47 furniture overcoat Sir......
Just my opinion. I'm not seeing anything in the details so far that makes it much more than that. Especially when you put the rifle through the blender that is our gun laws; mag pinned to 5 and the barrel being longer etc and then 5 times the price.
I'm just saying. I'll shut up now and let you guys get back to "almost there" AK47 fantasy land ;)
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Every once and a while somebody opens their mouth and declares their ignorance (Travis Bickle).

My car is just like a Model T Ford! Yes sire, its a model t with rotating tires, steering wheel, springs. Its just a factory upgraded Model T
 
SKS45 said:
Every once and a while somebody opens their mouth and declares their ignorance (Travis Bickle).

My car is just like a Model T Ford! Yes sire, its a model t with rotating tires, steering wheel, springs. Its just a factory upgraded Model T
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Hey now, I just calls them like I see them.
Maybe if the mag didn't have to be neutered and the price tag wasn't going to be around the $1K after taxes I'd recant my statement.

But for what it is, what it shoots, the similarities and what it does under our laws in this country (your laws and everyone's laws) other than a pistol grip and a removable magazine it might as well just be an SKS to this guy.
Why do all you guys get so bent out of shape when someone doesn't join your masturbation circle every time a new gun comes into this country? lol
Those are just the personal opinions and observations of an ignorant Canadian gun nut, don't take my opinions to heart.
 
Also, because I'm proven wrong sometimes and my opinions do change when I see new information to sway me, the second someone on here gets one and posts a couple legitimate 5 shot groups at 100 meters with surplus ammo that doesn't look like I shot it with my lowly SKS I will publicly apologize to each and every one of you on here and through PM :d :runaway:

Hell if it actually shoots noticeably better (not 0.02" better) than an SKS that alone would be reason to maybe even consider it. Until then it's not blowing my skirt up like the rest of ye...
 
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Travis Bickle said:
Hey now, I just calls them like I see them.
Maybe if the mag didn't have to be neutered and the price tag wasn't going to be around the $1K after taxes I'd recant my statement.

But for what it is, what it shoots, the similarities and what it does under our laws in this country (your laws and everyone's laws) other than a pistol grip and a removable magazine it might as well just be an SKS to this guy.
Why do all you guys get so bent out of shape when someone doesn't join your masturbation circle every time a new gun comes into this country? lol
Those are just the personal opinions and observations of an ignorant Canadian gun nut, don't take my opinions to heart.
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You do own a XCR right? so tell me, why do you own a $3000 XCR instead of a mini 14? when, by your own definition the mini 14 shoots the same round and does the same job made in the same country, the XCR only has a fancier furniture?
anyone else smell hypocrisy here? maybe no one is going to keep questioning you, if you don't keep coming back speaking non sense?
 
Familygunnutz said:
You do own a XCR right? so tell me, why do you own a $3000 XCR instead of a mini 14? when, by your own definition the mini 14 shoots the same round and does the same job made in the same country, the XCR only has a fancier furniture?
anyone else smell hypocrisy here? maybe no one is going to keep questioning you, if you don't keep coming back speaking non sense?
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Let Travis be! He wasn't being unkind about the T81.
In his defense, the Mini-14 and the XCR don't share the same operating system. The 81 and SKS are quite similar. For a potentially almost 5x mark up ( from what has been bantered around here), I can see his point, all things being equal.
Everyone to his/ her own. I own an SKS but, like Travis, have no real interest in the T81 either.
 
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Travis do we even know a price yet? Norinco isn't known for its high prices. Even if it was just a more ergonomic SKS(though it isn't), it would still be a pretty big improvement. Detachable mags are a huge improvement. Pistol grip is a huge improvement. From what I've read it's accurate enough. Why do you think it will have a longer barrel than an SKS? From what I've read the standard barrel is 17.6" or something so it would have to be made longer just to be NR. I'm not about to lay down $1000+ for one. Frankly I think 1000 would be absurd. But if this thing comes in at a reasonable price, I will most certainly pick one or two up.
 
cerebral_bore said:
You would think China would be able to manufacture and export a decades old design a lot more inexpensively than a Czech company, which would have more regs, more expensive labour, higher operating costs in general.

Trying to contrast the vz58 and t81 from a cost of production standpoint, and just have the general feeling that there is no logical reason the t81 should be in vz58 territory price wise, except for market demand (not related to cost of production).

Obviously the importers will set the absolute highest price the market can bear to keep demand high, which is why $800-1000 seems about right.

To me as an endpoint consumer, that is not an outrageous price considering other NR 7.62x39 semiauto options. In fact, they could be the cheapest 7.62x39 NR semiauto outside of the SKS (a design nearly 5 decades older, with no detachable mag, no pistol grip, and in SURPLUS condition).
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Given the T97 antecedent, I wouldn't expect anything below $1500, especially with the current miserable exchange rate of the loonie...
 
Still alive said:
Let Travis be! He wasn't being unkind about the T81.
In his defense, the Mini-14 and the XCR don't share the same operating system. The 81 and SKS are quite similar. For a potentially almost 5x mark up ( from what has been bantered around here), I can see his point, all things being equal.
Everyone to his/ her own. I own an SKS but, like Travis, have no real interest in the T81 either.
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I will rest my case, but do see post #131, the internal or operating system has nothing to do with it, besides the only thing 81 and SKS share is the shape of the carrier and handle....
 
Familygunnutz said:
I will rest my case, but do see post #131, the internal or operating system has nothing to do with it, besides the only thing 81 and SKS share is the shape of the carrier and handle....
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Yeah, I read that. Thought he was quite funny in his usual sarcastic way actually! ( Travis has been around a bit here!)
Let's hope that the gun comes in soon at a reasonable price so all your questions will be answered!
My guess is it will be similar in price to the CSA/VZs out there.
 
If the Type 81 can really hold 45mm/1.7" groups @100m with Chinese FMJ, I'd say that's pretty solid...

Anyway, it can't be compared pricewise with the surplus, obsolete 50 years ago SKS.
 
870P said:
If the Type 81 can really hold 45mm/1.7" groups @100m with Chinese FMJ, I'd say that's pretty solid...

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Actually, the standard is 45mm R50. IIRC means that 50% of shots will fit in a radius of 45mm. So, if I'm correct it means 3.4" diameter where at least half the shots will group. I'm sure people correct me if my understanding is in error.
 
According to one source, during production 127 random rifles were selected ，every rifle were fired 20 rd group 100m prone x 3 times，127 guns with all groups averaged R50 is 3.942cm.
so an average 20 shot group you will have half of your shots(50%) within a 4cm circle, weird way to measure accuracy for sure...
and of course these were military select fire rifles that were made in the 80/90s does not quite represent what we will be getting... we'll just have to wait and see.
 
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Familygunnutz said:
You do own a XCR right? so tell me, why do you own a $3000 XCR instead of a mini 14? when, by your own definition the mini 14 shoots the same round and does the same job made in the same country, the XCR only has a fancier furniture?
anyone else smell hypocrisy here? maybe no one is going to keep questioning you, if you don't keep coming back speaking non sense?
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I actually sold it last year.
Too pricey and wasn't blown away with the accuracy even by semi auto gas gun designs compared to other offerings with similar results.
Good design but not for me after trying it for a while.
 
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mobusten said:
Travis do we even know a price yet? Norinco isn't known for its high prices. Even if it was just a more ergonomic SKS(though it isn't), it would still be a pretty big improvement. Detachable mags are a huge improvement. Pistol grip is a huge improvement. From what I've read it's accurate enough. Why do you think it will have a longer barrel than an SKS? From what I've read the standard barrel is 17.6" or something so it would have to be made longer just to be NR. I'm not about to lay down $1000+ for one. Frankly I think 1000 would be absurd. But if this thing comes in at a reasonable price, I will most certainly pick one or two up.
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I'm just assuming based on what one dealer was quoted as saying around the $800 (I'm guessing a bit higher) mark so after taxes and shipping etc...
The only thing that would really blow my mind and make me crack my wallet for this one is if it somehow is more accurate than my old Russian SKS. I'll be waiting for pictures of groups. Who knows maybe it will do 2 MOA consistent or thereabouts with surp ammo...
And fair enough, the SKS barrel is around 21" I believe so with a purpose built NR barrel, the T81 should shave off around 2.5" of barrel length.
 
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