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I was under the impression that the type 81 is a old forgotten surplus rifle. Apparently their still used by the Chinese military and many others...
Algeria
Bangladesh: Made under license by the Bangladesh Ordnance Factories as BD-08 Assault Rifle
Benin: Used by Beninese peacekeepers in northern Mali.
China: The Type 56 replaced by Type 81 and QBZ-95 in PLA front line service, but the Type 56 remains in use with reserve and militia service.
Comoros: Used by the Military of the Comoros.
Djibouti
Gabon
Ghana
Guinea: Used by the Guinean Army and Navy
Iraq: Used by Iraqi Police.
Ivory Coast
Kyrgyzstan
Laos
Myanmar
Niger
Nigeria: Produced under license by the Defence Industries Corporation of Nigeria
Pakistan: Used by the Pakistan Army
Rwanda: Used by Rwandan United Nations Police in the Central African Republic.
Senegal
South Sudan
Sri Lanka
Sudan
Syria: seen in used by Syrian army during Syrian civil war
Tajikistan: Equipped with Type 81s since 2014.
Tanzania:
Uganda: Ugandan soldiers seen carrying Type 81s during military exercise in Lohatla, South Africa 2015.
Zimbabwe: Type 81s used by Zimbabwean military police officers.

They must be pretty good if their still in use.
 
They may be in use but according to my sources they were not overly popular and most have moved away from them now.

I have one of the new fixed stock ones and while I'm not sure I can say it's worth $1000 I do like the rifle and don't regret my purchase.
In Canada we pay what they cost not what they're worth, in a couple years we'll be paying what they're worth (sort of). Worth is a relative term, they probably cost $200 each to build but then every pair of hands they pass through getting them imported and to market needs a cut so they cost much more than they're worth which is the same for everything we have access to including houses and cars and whatever else you choose to purchase here.
 
cr5 said:
They may be in use but according to my sources they were not overly popular and most have moved away from them now.

I have one of the new fixed stock ones and while I'm not sure I can say it's worth $1000 I do like the rifle and don't regret my purchase.
In Canada we pay what they cost not what they're worth, in a couple years we'll be paying what they're worth (sort of). Worth is a relative term, they probably cost $200 each to build but then every pair of hands they pass through getting them imported and to market needs a cut so they cost much more than they're worth which is the same for everything we have access to including houses and cars and whatever else you choose to purchase here.
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How Do they compare to other semi autos? Is more towards an sks then a vz58 quality wise?
 

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cr5 said:
It's a Norinco, don't expect too much but I don't find them to be too bad. I have a nice Russian SKS and think they are both built well. I have never owned a 58 or 858 so it's hard to compare but for $1000 there's not much competition as far as I'm concerned.

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Looks very nice. Very very tempting. Thanks!
 
the fit and finish is crude, but I don't care, cause I've already dinged up the fore-end knocking empty mags out with a full one...lol. It is very robust and has a fair bit of heft in the hands, not heavy, but it feels solid and balances really nice. The sheet-metal receiver is border-line plate...very thick. mine shoots almost bang on out of the box, and it has less felt recoil than an SKS, and the muzzle barely moves. The action feels smoother, and the trigger is far better...I mean it doesn't feel any worse than any in-service Nato weapon I've handled, maybe better. I really like it as a shooter, how it looks is just a bonus, cause I have a hard on for commie guns. It really does shoot well...and i'm not saying it's driving tacks, cause I haven't tried for groups yet...but for practical shooting it's a very nice shooter. I would have liked to pay less, as it's no safe queen...this thing was made to shoot and be tossed around...but it definitely scratches the AK itch...more so than the vz-58 by design, and appearance in my opinion...
 
That's something that's missing on the vz58 is the nice classic wooden stock. It's going to be hard deciding between the two
 
Claven2 said:
Well at least nobody has reported a Type 81 gremlin failure yet ;)
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No failures so far for me, even the mag problem I reported has not reoccurred. I did however find an oddity, that actually took a bit of problem solving to figure out...on mine at least, if you pull the bolt all the way back and pull the trigger (friend did it :/) the bottom of the bolt carrier where the bolt protrudes was hanging up ever so slightly on the top of the hammer...in this condition, the safety could not be engaged, and the trigger is jammed in a slightly pulled position. So it was stuck all the way back like a half inch or so behind the bolt catch. to resolve I held the bolt carrier to the rear while pulling the trigger with one hand, and reset the hammer with my other thumb, release the trigger and then the action will close...I then discovered that a small bit of force would actually jump back over the hammer and reset it on its own (the bottom of the bolt carrier is like a paper boat shape and resets the hammer on the way by0, even if it was tripped the moment the bolt carrier was at the rear of it's travel...this is highly unlikely to occur during firing, as after further investigation, i found that it actually takes very little force to jump over the hammer...essentially it's merely an extremely shallow angle that needs to overcome the hammer spring, and the burr that caused it has since worn off after 160 rounds...lol works better now than it did new...and I cleaned and lubed it real good when it was brand new...everything is smooth now...trigger got better too.
 
cranswick said:
No failures so far for me, even the mag problem I reported has not reoccurred. I did however find an oddity, that actually took a bit of problem solving to figure out...on mine at least, if you pull the bolt all the way back and pull the trigger (friend did it :/) the bottom of the bolt carrier where the bolt protrudes was hanging up ever so slightly on the top of the hammer...in this condition, the safety could not be engaged, and the trigger is jammed in a slightly pulled position. So it was stuck all the way back like a half inch or so behind the bolt catch. to resolve I held the bolt carrier to the rear while pulling the trigger with one hand, and reset the hammer with my other thumb, release the trigger and then the action will close...I then discovered that a small bit of force would actually jump back over the hammer and reset it on its own (the bottom of the bolt carrier is like a paper boat shape and resets the hammer on the way by0, even if it was tripped the moment the bolt carrier was at the rear of it's travel...this is highly unlikely to occur during firing, as after further investigation, i found that it actually takes very little force to jump over the hammer...essentially it's merely an extremely shallow angle that needs to overcome the hammer spring, and the burr that caused it has since worn off after 160 rounds...lol works better now than it did new...and I cleaned and lubed it real good when it was brand new...everything is smooth now...trigger got better too.
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Hahaha...that happened to me, too. Took me a while to find a way to fix that. I was sweating a little, thinking I broke my new rifle. The trick is to reach in and press the hammer. Fixed that right away.
 
cranswick said:
...I mean it doesn't feel any worse than any in-service Nato weapon I've handledl..
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Dude, check your meds. You just compared a $200 Norinco (based on a 40-year old design) to a modern, first-world manufactured NATO service rifle. The fail is very strong with your comparison....
 
Gun123 said:
Hahaha...that happened to me, too. Took me a while to find a way to fix that. I was sweating a little, thinking I broke my new rifle. The trick is to reach in and press the hammer. Fixed that right away.
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should be able to just push it forward without resetting the hammer...if not minor filing could be done, but the carrier should just hop right over...

Bartok5 said:
Dude, check your meds. You just compared a $200 Norinco (based on a 40-year old design) to a modern, first-world manufactured NATO service rifle. The fail is very strong with your comparison....
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Do you have one? The trigger is actually pretty good...you'd be surprised...and military small arms don't have great triggers btw...
 
I went out and shot 160 rounds today, for the first time since I have got the rifle. No issues whatsoever. It shot smooth like butter. It was in fact very accurate, as accurate as my SKS and maybe a little better. I just love the rifle.

My five mags are interesting. Three work flawlessly. One works well, but it takes 10 rounds, not five. The fifth one shoots fine, but does not keep the bolt back after the last round is shot.
 
Gun123 said:
I went out and shot 160 rounds today, for the first time since I have got the rifle. No issues whatsoever. It shot smooth like butter. It was in fact very accurate, as accurate as my SKS and maybe a little better. I just love the rifle.

My five mags are interesting. Three work flawlessly. One works well, but it takes 10 rounds, not five. The fifth one shoots fine, but does not keep the bolt back after the last round is shot.
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Becareful with that "ten rounds not five" poppycock you're talking, you must be mistaken....
 
cranswick said:
should be able to just push it forward without resetting the hammer...if not minor filing could be done, but the carrier should just hop right over...


Do you have one? The trigger is actually pretty good...you'd be surprised...and military small arms don't have great triggers btw...
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My tigger feels pretty average honestly. It's not bad and not good. I can't complain with the overall package at all.

Deal with the creep and shoot on.
 
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