punkrockboy
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Are there any names ??? Names would help, I can certainly help make certain people aware !!!
Type 97 Classification Issues - PART TWO
- Thread starter Clobbersauras
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speeding
That should also apply to all vehicles available in canada. Almost everything is capable of speeding, most to speeds that would be considered dangerous. Under those reasoning they should also be prohibited
That should also apply to all vehicles available in canada. Almost everything is capable of speeding, most to speeds that would be considered dangerous. Under those reasoning they should also be prohibited
We need to be careful with throwing names out. What I can tell you is that Assistant Commissioner Mole oversees the CFC. Beyond that we're gonna have to keep names away from the public eye until there is commitment on the part of CSSA, the media etc.
PM me with what you have.
Throttle_monkey1
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Supra- I will send a letter to van loan asking him to explain how the reclassification of the fsn and the review of the 97 is being done according to the firearms act. I will also state that these guns are being reclassified illegally, and would not stand up to a court challenge. I will also inform him that this is being run by assistant comissioner mole.
I agree that maybe 60% will no pursue it but we only need one. I think when people see whats happening whether or not they supported gun control measures in the past, it will now carry a sour taste. You guys gotta think positive, plan for the worst but expect the best.
Yes that is good. But in addition to that we need media support.
Right now the CPC government is trying to manage Ontario's economic collapse surrounding manufacturing. Their focus is there. If they can not deal with our problem then they will ignore us for the time being. Look at what has been happening with C-301. Its not that Harper has turned on us, he just has to manage priorities in order of importance. In order to make him refocus on this issue we need public opinion to support his goals.
I truely believe that the CPC generally supports a withdrawl of gun support laws and a return of personal freedom. We need to give them the resources they need to make that happen. Iggy's latest statements mean that he will likely own this one. We can turn this around and if we play our cards right and CSSA gets public on this issue I think a year from now we will be further ahead then we are now.
He always has. I had discussions with him months ago and he told me at that time exactly what was going to happen. So far, he was right-on in his predictions and not only about the 97 issue. Just a very innocent example: I told him that I was looking to buy a non-restricted T97 and he said that they will never reach the market (just like that!). He said it was way easier to buy a restricted at that time and install a longer barrel (very expensive solution). He said almost in these exact words: “ … but remember, you’ll be lucky to be allowed to keep it past the spring time”. This happened months and months ago, but he told me other things that are now proving that he knew. I didn’t listen and now I regret it. I don’t remember what exactly he said about the FRT # of such a rifle, but I seriously wonder if I had followed his advice, what would have happened with the FRT number of a t97 that went from restricted to non-restricted status.
That is why I asked him, so I can find the non-relevant issues and I will decide for myself if they are important or not (yes, I'm sorry I use your thread for this
). So far, there has been a lot of misinformation in these threads that are focused on very few ideas and mostly obsessive or at least repetitive. Not much info (CSSA, CFC, CPC, the dealers) NOBODY says anything. So, I asked the man, maybe he will say things we don`t know, because let`s be honest, we don`t know #### all, and those who know don`t say much, at least here.
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I kinda wondered why he didn't post anything in my scope mount thread....
He did tell Johnone long ago that the Type 97 would never again be imported into the country. We should have listened I guess.
Lector is a fascinating dude.
I was told some speculations about why the Type 97 was scrutinized in this new shipment. And I'm now maybe piecing a few things together as more info comes to light...I really hope these speculations aren't true as it would really mean that we eat our own....
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Throttle_monkey1
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How do you figure that? The official policy is clear and has been for quite some time: The G22 is classified as a "Prohibited Firearm". Until that decision (which was made by the RCMP/CFC/FRT Section) is overturned by a court or by some act of parliament, that decision will stand.
What's in limbo are (I'm told) the handful of G22's that are still in the possession of citizens and business licensees who had them prior to the "decision" to change the classification and who had/have in their possession Registration Certificates that had been issued showing the guns to be Non-Restricted Firearms. Because they have those Registration Certificates the owners of those firearms can continue to possess the guns... the guns can be transported, etc. because those specific guns as identified by those certificates are deemed to still be Non-Restricted... but... the moment someone tries to sell or transfer one of those guns, the instant the Transfer Request is entered into the CFC system then the gun becomes frozen... it instantly at that point becomes a "Prohibited" firearms as per the new classification and at that point it's trapped... it can't be transferred and it can't be cancelled back to the old owner because it's now a Prohib and the old owner can't possess it (no-one can... at least no individual can). And so those few specific guns remain out there. Eventually they will be eliminated through attrition or whatever... or someone could spend a fortune to take it to court and if they were lucky they could get the current classification ruling overturned. I'm told that there is no policy to go out and confiscate those few remaining units... don't know if it's true or not... they just seem to be sitting in limbo.
From what I've been told that's the situation that's now being created for the Type 97's (this is what I'm told, can't say that's it's true)... that anyone who has one already and has a Registration Certificate showing it as a Non-Restricted would still have that gun but can't sell it and can't transfer it... the moment they do the gun gets re-classified... and once that happens the gun can no longer be possessed by the individual nor can it be transferred or sold to anyone (the only legal entity that could own it would be a LE or Government entity).
Currently the FRT Table shows only "Prohibited" classifications for all searches of Norinco T97's, Type 97, etc.. There are now two listing (Type 97 and Type 97A). Both come up as classified "Prohibited" and showing as "Full Automatic". That's pretty definitive... it doesn't show as being under review... or "draft"... or "pending".
There used to be (last year) an FRT #126100 which was for a Norinco Type 97A Semi-Auto Rifle, Classification "Non-Restricted"... but that FRT # doesn't come up now when you do a search of the current on-line FRT. So they have either permanently removed it or they have suspended it pending review and until they put it back it's the same as removing it. For all intent and purpose that number no longer exists.
It would seem that this is their "ruling" and unless someone can successfully petition them to review and change that ruling then that classification will remain in effect. I would guess that various people have been trying everything they can do to get CFC/RCMP/FRT Section to change their position... but if they refuse then the only other way to change it is by getting the court to overturn the RCMP/CFC/FRT's decision. That could take years and a whole lot of money.
Mark
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They deleted FRT #126100 from the online FRT.
CanAm, was FRT #126100 for Lever's restricted length Type 97 rifles?
I also see that your website now says the Type 97 non-restricted rifles are "Arriving Spring 2009". I'm perplexed as to what type of run around the RCMP are giving you. I guess I expected the RCMP to make a determination rather quickly, like in the case of Marstar's shipment... They must really be trying HARD to come up with some reason to NOT release your shipment of Type 97 rifles!
As for me, I'm in till the end dude! You don't have to worry about this guys order! THANKS for bringing them to us, headaches/drama & all!!!
Cheers
Jay
I also see that your website now says the Type 97 non-restricted rifles are "Arriving Spring 2009". I'm perplexed as to what type of run around the RCMP are giving you. I guess I expected the RCMP to make a determination rather quickly, like in the case of Marstar's shipment... They must really be trying HARD to come up with some reason to NOT release your shipment of Type 97 rifles!
As for me, I'm in till the end dude! You don't have to worry about this guys order! THANKS for bringing them to us, headaches/drama & all!!!
Cheers
Jay
