Type 97 Classification Issues - PART TWO

How has the RCMP done their homework?
The RCMP found what they were looking for
and they proved to be usefull in their watching-eye role.
They justified their positions and salaries. And the role of CFC.
They were actualy commended for their hard work
of finding (and stopping the importation of) dangerous guns.
(But honestly, CGN did half of that work).
 
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I never knew anything about FA until after the RCMP decided to review these things. Is there anything inherently different with these guns? That's all I want to know
 
One more thing Kaiser Sose sez about is the FRT numbers.
These days RCMP changes the frt's
like a cheap prostitute changes her clients.
Not all FRT's are accessible from disc or on-line.
God knows why they do not make public all FRT's.
If I remember correctly, they tried the same tactic
when they declared the 40 mils to be firearms,
in the hope they will catch many people with their pants down.
 
the part I want expanded on is where you said they found four things wrong with the 97. One is "CA". You then said they will pocket the other three for future use.

Do you happen to know what the other three things are? You also mentioned that the receiver wasn't the problem. I just would like to know what they're saying makes the 97 prohib.
 
the part I want expanded on is where you said they found four things wrong with the 97. One is "CA". You then said they will pocket the other three for future use.

Do you happen to know what the other three things are? You also mentioned that the receiver wasn't the problem. I just would like to know what they're saying makes the 97 prohib.
For the moment they are saying only CA.
Concerning that, the receiver is not the ONLY problem.
I do not believe the nature of the other three is so important,
since CA is sufficient grounds for what they wanted,
and a very hard one to beat.
Is that the detail that was so fukken cryptic?
If so, then my posts were much clearer than I initialy believed. Sigh...
 
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Lector may in fact be right on this one. The sad thing is that we as firearms owners didn't expect to have to play backhanded secret squirrel games to enjoy some basic freedoms.

I'm gonna take Lectors advice and step back from this one and refocus efforts on C-301 or any other bill that actually kills the registry.
 
For the moment they are saying only CA.
Concerning that, the receiver is not the ONLY problem.
I do not believe the nature of the other three is so important,
since CA is sufficient grounds for what they wanted,
and a very hard one to beat.
Is that the detail that was so fukken cryptic?
If so, then my posts were much clearer than I initialy believed. Sigh...

Yes, and saying it is CA doesn't make it CA. If it isn't easy to convert, then the RCMP decision was wrong and will be reversed by a court. If they have more crap up their sleeves, then good for them, we can prove their utter stupidity again.

It is defeatist attitudes like yours that get us no where. The registry is still the main focus, this is just a side show. We can thank Strangeday and the countless ignorant members for wasting our time with that reclassification crap about everything else. That was a true distraction from focussing on getting C301 passed.
 
About Commissioner Mole (sp) and others like him:
Personnaly, I never heard of him before being posted on CGN.
Most likely he is an anti (WTF did you expect anyway?).
But: he is not the only anti.
There are so many of them, we cannot even know 10% of their names.

Now if he will be dropped from that office,
who you realisticaly and sincerely believe that they will put in his place?
Me? Deckard? Suprathepig? Girly-hands Clobbersauras?
Of course they will put one with "experience" in these matters,
and guess who or what kind of people
gathered experience regarding firearm related issues
and implementation of the regs and laws
knowing that these things were handled
in an environment dominated by liberal appointed people
in the last 16 years,
and by antis (by their nature) in the last 45 years???
Of course they will appoint the same kind of people...

The whole RCMP, Firearm Program, CFC, CFO-system
are in begging NEED to be re-structured from grounds up.

....yeah, I know, we don't have a majority, blah blah, the usual BS.
 
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well I agree with you on the fact that if we replace one anti In The Cfc/RCMP, ten more will move to take it's place.

Also I appreciate your info, but don't jump down anyones throat when they have questions. If you have things to share, great.

Again the CA we can beat in court, but the other three?
 
We can thank Strangeday and the countless ignorant members for wasting our time with that reclassification crap about everything else. That was a true distraction from focussing on getting C301 passed.
I do not blame Strangeday for posting what he posted.
In reality, I heard the same thing at the same time with him.
In the heat of the moment, he did not know what to make of it
and he did very good by blowing the wistle.
Now we know better (thanks to Mr. Bernardo) and we can re-group.
But Strangeday did very good that he said what he said.
 
Also I appreciate your info, but don't jump down anyones throat when they have questions.
Sorry it seemed that way. Did not mean it.


Again the CA we can beat in court, but the other three?
I do not know the other 3.
(That is the whole point to the RCMP games.
You cannot generaly guess what the next question is,
you only deal with what is on the table at that moment).

I am not sure about beating in court the CA.
If you do, it may take years.
When and if you win, the firearms environment in Canada
may be very different (read what I said about C-301/S-5).
 
I had a rather lengthy talk with Tony B regarding the T97 issue today at the gunshow and from what is telling me is exactly what Dr Lector is saying the horse has left the Barn .
 
Sincerely, MANY people knew about it.
As I said, I was feeling sorry to see that
many people here did not know
and they were spending their energy barking in the dark.

ex.: "drop Mole... because..."
... because what? because he's an #######?
and that is going to help us to.... to what?

Focus on the real problems.
Interesting how you don't see Deckard leading the campaign
or taking major initiative for the SCRAP THE LONG GUN REGISTRY issue...




Since I am a member here,
there was only one such campaign (against the semi auto ban - fall 2006)
and it was lead by greentips. Focused, good leadership, very good ideas.
I was impressed (and by my nature, it is hard to get me impressed)

But when we did the math and we put our d!cks in a row,
we could count slightly over 100 (one hundred) letters. WTF?
I sincerely believe only 1% of the total of the letter writers participated
in the counting of the letters.
 
Lector,

I don't know you, I don't know where your information comes from, and I certainly was not part of this board 2+ years ago during the time you refer to as the "start" of the 97 problems... however, I *have* been following this thread, and you are very critical of everyone's having "fallen" for this cunning rouse.

My question then, is why (with over 1,500 posts) are we just hearing from you now with such a critical view as to us gullible little CGNrs who fell for this brilliant RCMP trap?

Your post is carefully crafted, informative, thorough, well thought out, and about 3 weeks too late, no?
 
and who are you....????

So ready to blame everyone here for what has happened...suggesting that excessive discussions about the 97 led a federal agency to throw out their own guidelines and class something in class that it is not. (You say yourself that the 97 IS a non-restricted) If it is Non-restricted, that's what it will be classed. Take your tin-foil hat off, there is no "anti" conspiracy at work in the RCMP.

You further imply that our importers/delares etc. are essentially incompetant. that does an ENORMOUS dis-service to the folks who work VERY HARD to ensure that we have access to new products, supplies of ammunition etc. What have YOU done to help the average gun owner....????
You think CANAMMO didn't do his homework. Thats BS! He did everything correctly, got the proper permits, FRT etc. This issue WILL be resolved, and it won't take a court case eithor. The RCMP are merely stalling, hoping that enough people cancel their orders and CANAMMO goes bust. If that happens, they have gotten their wish. If teh TAVOR is here, the 97 will be here too.



The less-known story of the 97:

After 2 years of un-necessary and stupidly beating the drum
about the 97 wherever and however you could,
there was only normal that the antis tried to find a way of banning it.
RCMP was waiting for this gun rubbing their hands
in excitement and anticipation.
CBSA did not send anything (for test and assessment)
by their own initiative.
CBSA act like a**holes a lot of times, but this time
they were ordered even BEFORE the shipment arrived
to stop the guns and send a sample to RCMP.



After tests, assessments, taking pics, measurements, etc.,
RCMP decided it’s a CA
(and it’s not necessarily related to the receiver)
- edit to add: not only the receiver.
That was more than 2 months ago.
Allegedly, the inspection of the gun was very quick and simple,
but what lasted much longer was finding
a (more or less) politically acceptable solution
for the guns already in the country.

Their findings and results from assessing the T97
are actually more than just that.
There are actually 4 (four) issues found, but however,
(at least how it was standing about a month ago)
they put on the table only one (the CA issue),
keeping the other three in their pocket for this time.
If (and when) they will lose that particular one by a court decision,
then, they will put another one on the table (one at a time),
so they have another reason to deem it prohib.
I think you get the picture.

The gun community did not do its homework this time.
The losers and the whoring component of the human nature
made too much noise around this gun (despite warnings),
attracting un-wanted attention.
Similarly, the greed and the rush to bring that gun before anybody else
generated blindness towards important issues, like
is the gun importable or not? (DUUUH!!!)
regardless of what the RCMP said about the sample,
being a known fact that they change their mind like women.

Deckard always said that the 97 pisses the libs (or the fudds, or the antis).
Well, it pissed them off allright, there is no doubt about it.
These events proved it.


Despite repeated warnings,
you chose to sh!t your bed. Now sleep in it. DUH!!!







I`m not aware about any FA tests next week or the week after or any other time.
I am curious were that rumor is coming from
(I can guess it's probably from the same source that keeps saying
"one more week and we'll know", "next week",
"by the end of next week").
As they stand right now, they do not need any additional FA tests,
or urine tests, or ANY kind of tests...
I am also curious to know how many times in the past
the RCMP reversed any of its decisions or making them more lax.
You are waiting for a bus that doesn`t come (because there is no bus)
but you are waiting and hoping anyway (because it feels good to b!tch
and because you lack excitement
and because you are too lazy to do anything else).

There is no Type 97. It never had a chance.
I said it 2 years ago and more than once
(oh, and before I forget, Deckard, there was no inside track,
I said what I said in an open forum,
for everyone to see, do you remember that?
or were you too caught in pushing your whoring agenda
and the "slam Lever's" campaign???)
But you guys didn’t listen to me, you chose to listened to certain cheerleaders.
Go and ask them for directions now.
(Yes, Deckard, you blew it again!!!).
 
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