Type 97 feeding reliability?

Chemist said:
Except for two, every T97 issue people have called in about was cured by non using the grey ASC LAR mags or taking the gas setting off of 0.

The other two were simple fixes as well. One had two spring installed in the mag release and the other was solved by taking it off safety...
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SO what you're saying is that the trend amongst those who buy a T97 are not the brightest and fail to read the manual? With the operator removed you still have a rifle that doesn't run with LAR mags and as mentioned before are often "tight" with pmags. So it still doesn't run right, got it..

Red_Liner740 said:
I love it. When a gun is taken to the gunsmith to be worked on, trigger smoothed out etc to make it run and function better everyone oohs and aahs. Smith&Wessons are done like this, 1911's etc etc.
When someone says to file some feed lips into the T97 we got haters here saying how the rifle is ####?

Fact. Not all mags are the same.
Fact. LAR mags are some of the cheapest produced mags you could buy, and if we werent stuck with them, nobody would even try to run them in their firearms. Everyone would be running P-mags with 30 rounds.

So gee, a crappy low cost mag doesnt run well in a T97....who'da thunk it.

If "massaging" the firearm at home means filing some feed lips to make the LAR15 mags run, so be it. Worlds not gonna end, and no-one will hate you for it.

If i wasnt a leftie, i'd own a T97 and i def would be filing some feed lips and polishing up those suckers.
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You'd be partially correct. I disapprove of sending your firearm to the smith for anything other than some specific parts replacements or installation, usually those that require special tools. 1911's are junk as well, and its no surprise that many who champion that dead horse of a platform also find bullpups "awesome". :rolleyes: If your new firearm requires a dremel tool or special mags/parts to run, its garbage. Oh, and its a good thing its leftie friendly huh.:rolleyes:

I agree that not all mags are the same, but its hard to dispute that the vast majority of other rifles that sport a stanag magwell will accept and run Lar mags without issue, and the pmag as well.

I really don't care what people waste their money on, I don't. All I'm trying to do here is illustrate the fact that people will continue to champion their system and fabricate excuses to validate their choice/purchase regardless quality or lack thereof. The reality is, the rifle sucks and requires user mods to run right. It's not ambidextrous and is near impossible to mount optics too, the manual of arms is slow and counter productive. As long as the masses are aware of the headaches associated with this rifle then my work is done.

TDC
 
TDC said:
SO what you're saying is that the trend amongst those who buy a T97 are not the brightest and fail to read the manual? With the operator removed you still have a rifle that doesn't run with LAR mags and as mentioned before are often "tight" with pmags. So it still doesn't run right, got it..



You'd be partially correct. I disapprove of sending your firearm to the smith for anything other than some specific parts replacements or installation, usually those that require special tools. 1911's are junk as well, and its no surprise that many who champion that dead horse of a platform also find bullpups "awesome". :rolleyes: If your new firearm requires a dremel tool or special mags/parts to run, its garbage. Oh, and its a good thing its leftie friendly huh.:rolleyes:

I agree that not all mags are the same, but its hard to dispute that the vast majority of other rifles that sport a stanag magwell will accept and run Lar mags without issue, and the pmag as well.

I really don't care what people waste their money on, I don't. All I'm trying to do here is illustrate the fact that people will continue to champion their system and fabricate excuses to validate their choice/purchase regardless quality or lack thereof. The reality is, the rifle sucks and requires user mods to run right. It's not ambidextrous and is near impossible to mount optics too, the manual of arms is slow and counter productive. As long as the masses are aware of the headaches associated with this rifle then my work is done.

TDC
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I have done zero modifications to my rifle or mags and it runs perfectly without a single failure yet.
 
Vancouvergunnut said:
I have done zero modifications to my rifle or mags and it runs perfectly without a single failure yet.
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That's great I'm glad you got a rifle that works. Unfortunately your rifle is not the norm and a functioning rifle still doesn't solve the ergo problem, the optics mounting problem, or the non ambi problem.

Tdc
 
SO what you're saying is that the trend amongst those who buy a T97 are not the brightest and fail to read the manual?
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The gas system setting is not covered in the manual. Obviously you are commenting on something you have no personal knowledge of. This is apparently common for you. And it also appears that you DO care a lot about what people spend their money on - if you had been working during the time it took to post on 100's of threads about T97's you could have bought us all AR's.
 
drifter dave said:
The gas system setting is not covered in the manual. Obviously you are commenting on something you have no personal knowledge of. This is apparently common for you. And it also appears that you DO care a lot about what people spend their money on - if you had been working during the time it took to post on 100's of threads about T97's you could have bought us all AR's.
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So the manual is just as poorly designed as the rifle, got it. And the owners are even less informed than I thought. So why would I spend my money on ungrateful ill informed enthusiasts? Logic says I wouldn't and I shouldn't so I don't. I don't live to work, I work far more than I want to as is.

Tdc
 
Yawn.... come on TDC come up with some new material, you sound the same with the same lines in every thread you post in. It does not matter if it's what type of lubrication to lube your AR or what the best pistol to buy. It does not matter all smoke and mirrors on your part, no real experience on the subject except what you read on the internet. Most people just skip the "TopDeadCentre" posts.
 
bjs7293 said:
Yawn.... come on TDC come up with some new material, you sound the same with the same lines in every thread you post in. It does not matter if it's what type of lubrication to lube your AR or what the best pistol to buy. It does not matter all smoke and mirrors on your part, no real experience on the subject except what you read on the internet. Most people just skip the "TopDeadCentre" posts.
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I don't follow? I bring up the same points because no one seems to possess the knowledge to dispute them, or perhaps the points are facts and cannot be disputed.

Tdc
 
Mine runs very nicely with Pmags, not really tried metal mags extensively yet.

Buyers beware of the grey LAR mags, there have been many reported problems with them, so try other mags to determine if it is the gun or the mags at fault.
 
TDC said:
I don't follow? I bring up the same points because no one seems to possess the knowledge to dispute them, or perhaps the points are facts and cannot be disputed.

Tdc
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There is absolutely no doubt at all that when it comes to non-restricted semi-automatic black/green rifles the choices are limited in Canada. Hence the weekly thread on what is the best NR, because in reality there is no best. Every one of the choices available to us has some sort of a problem. XCR, loc-tite. ACR, expensive and uncertain barrel changes. Swiss Arms? Limited to 5 rounds unless you switch out so much of the rifle that it isn't really a Swiss Arms anymore. Etcetera. Every black/green NR has some sort of drawback.

When we can get non-restricted AR-15's in Canada, you can ride your T-97 hobby horse. Until then it really is one of the good choices. Yes, it's flawed, but it seems that if you buy good magazines, it is less flawed than many of the alternatives that we have.
 
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TDC said:
Proprietary optics, how advanced and cutting edge. :rolleyes:

Tdc
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Dude, you want cutting edge, then you gotta f***ing pay for it, bottom line. Not everybody is an operator. Some just want a somewhat affordable, short, fun bullpup that is non restricted, got it? Sometimes I wonder if you even have the physical ability to get out of your chair and walk the walk instead of just talking the tactical operator talk.
 
Just to chime in: I've got the black LAR mags and get a bullet pushed in about 1/100 rounds. Will be filing the feedramps more until the stoppages. . .stop.

For TDC, I've got a quote from the hippy John Lennon: "Don't hate what you don't understand". Just cause you're ignorant, doesn't mean the rifle sucks.
 
have my new T97 upper installed and stuffed in the safe until I return to Canada in the spring- Looks great and after a test fit with a scope, I find I will not require the cheek riser I had waiting on the bench-FITS ME GREAT! Can't wait for the new lower when it is mfgd. It will result in a 1500.00 bullpup that will preform with the Tavor at a much lower price point..Think I will buy a spare and keep it for parts.
 
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heres my lar15 mag after a little over a hundred rounds notice the wear at the front, I'm not sure this is normal. my factory t97 mag shows no wear in this area
 
adriel said:
Just to chime in: I've got the black LAR mags and get a bullet pushed in about 1/100 rounds. Will be filing the feedramps more until the stoppages. . .stop.

For TDC, I've got a quote from the hippy John Lennon: "Don't hate what you don't understand". Just cause you're ignorant, doesn't mean the rifle sucks.
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I have grey LAR mags and they push a bullet in roughly 1/10 rounds. Unfortunately, the factory mag that came with my T97 does the same--though not as frequently.

Will be looking for clear instructions on how to file those feed ramps! Bit leery about doing this. Otherwise.. love the rifle! It's great.
 
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