Type 97 in 7.62x39...? Any reason they don't exist??

Brian46 said:
The reliability of the AK mag vs all the problems posted online with running the 7.62x39 round in a AR15 type mag far outweighs the magazine capacity issue IMO.

We are now just seeing US manufacturers coming out with lowers that take the AK mags for the very reason I posted above. (MGI Hydra, CMMG Mutant, etc)
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Robinson Arms XCR-L in 7.62x39 seems to feed well using those mags. There's a good vid that addresses this issue. Apparently some folks trying to run an AR upper in 7.62x39 using AR type mags don't have the right feed ramps in their upper to accommodate the thicker cartridge, or the proper gas system.

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1220225-7-62x39-AR-Fix-Video

(He shows off his build for about two and a half minutes, jump to about 2:35 to get into the feed ramps issue)
 
Astute Observer said:
Robinson Arms XCR-L in 7.62x39 seems to feed well using those mags. There's a good vid that addresses this issue. Apparently some folks trying to run an AR upper in 7.62x39 using AR type mags don't have the right feed ramps in their upper to accommodate the thicker cartridge, or the proper gas system.

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1220225-7-62x39-AR-Fix-Video

(He shows off his build for about two and a half minutes, jump to about 2:35 to get into the feed ramps issue)
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lots of videos with all different types of fixes from grinding mags, to feed ramps,to gas system, to upgraded bolts yet this is still an issue. The XCR-L is also not an AR and comes with it's own limitations and issues

I will take a purpose built rifle with AK mags like the ones I posted over those recurring issues any day.
 
Brian46 said:
lots of videos with all different types of fixes from grinding mags, to feed ramps,to gas system, to upgraded bolts yet this is still an issue. The XCR-L is also not an AR and comes with it's own limitations and issues

I will take a purpose built rifle with AK mags like the ones I posted over those recurring issues any day.
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Agreed that a purpose built rifle would be ideal - which would, for the T-97 in 7.62x39, would be the case. If Robinson Arms can make one that functions properly from the ground up rather than adapting an AR, so can Norinco.

TV-PressPass said:
Oddly I kind of like the idea of an AK pattern rock and lock mag. That'd be a fun way to burn up 7.62x39
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If you like burning up 7.62x39 only five rounds at a time, then yes. If you'd like double the mag capacity (as I would) then it's a less attractive option.
 
Astute Observer said:
Agreed that a purpose built rifle would be ideal - which would, for the T-97 in 7.62x39, would be the case. If Robinson Arms can make one that functions properly from the ground up rather than adapting an AR, so can Norinco.
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My experience with RA was quite different than "functions properly". I am waiting for reviews on the latest model but nobody I have seen locally has one let alone put a few thousand rounds down range with one. Norinco is also not known for it's flawless operation and my experience with that manufacturer has been no different.
 
T97 was an off shoot of T95 that uses 5.8mm. The receiver is probably too small for 7.62X39. So unless the whole thing is re-engineered, there probably won't be one developed unless there is a huge military order.
 
Astute Observer said:
Robinson Arms XCR-L in 7.62x39 seems to feed well using those mags. There's a good vid that addresses this issue. Apparently some folks trying to run an AR upper in 7.62x39 using AR type mags don't have the right feed ramps in their upper to accommodate the thicker cartridge, or the proper gas system.

(He shows off his build for about two and a half minutes, jump to about 2:35 to get into the feed ramps issue)
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Just because the XCR will feed a 5 and sometimes even a 10 round mag doesn't mean it works well. There is a reason the AK mag is shaped like a banana and why some AR manufacturers are building dedicated lowers to run 7.62x39 through AK mags in the AR platform. Tapered case cartridges need a curved magazine to feed correctly.
7.62x39 feeds like crap from an AR mag and the only reason so many Canadians think it's a great idea is because of our stupid mag capacity limits. If you try to fill a 30 round AR mag with 7.62x39 it will feed like crap even with a correct follower.

If you really want to run 30 cal through AR mags try 300 Blackout. Everything a x39 can do and much much more.
Sure nothing compares to the x39 for price but it's a crappy dirty cartridge that most ranges won't even let you shoot any more unless you find non steel core ammo. Sure take it out in the bush and target shoot, but if you want to hunt with it then it loses all it's price advantage when you have to buy soft point ammo.

Wanna blast x39? Just buy a rifle that was designed around it. Plenty of semi auto options out there for less than the price of a T97.
 
cr5 said:
Because the original rifle was designed to fire the chinese 5.8x42 round and they adapted it to 5.56x45 for the north american market. If you like the rifle just be happy they chambered it in a round we can buy locally.
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The T97 5.56 was first made for other militaries, not specifically for Can civvy market.
 
greentips said:
T97 was an off shoot of T95 that uses 5.8mm. The receiver is probably too small for 7.62X39. So unless the whole thing is re-engineered, there probably won't be one developed unless there is a huge military order.
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The 5.8 is only about a millimetre smaller at the base diameter, wouldn't be too much of a stretch, the 5.8 is longer too so there would probably be plenty of room for 7.62
 
Matty308 said:
Does anyone know if Norinco forexample has any staff on here that would even take our wants into consideration?
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There was some guy saying his friend was R&D asking for ideas but other then that I don't know. Doubt it, Norinco is a massive military supplier. A few rifles for Canada really isn't much concern to them unless someone goes to them and asks.

I could be anyone though... Look at the lever arms Puma shotgun.
 
ShawnC6 said:
There was some guy saying his friend was R&D asking for ideas but other then that I don't know. Doubt it, Norinco is a massive military supplier. A few rifles for Canada really isn't much concern to them unless someone goes to them and asks.

I could be anyone though... Look at the lever arms Puma shotgun.
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Norinco is a selling/exporting operation, not a factory.

The Puma is made at a privately owned shotgun factory, so they are able to do as they like.
If a privately owned rifle factory in China wanted to set up for making x39 T97's, it should be possible.
No idea what sort of permits or licensing agreements are needed, but the Puma does give some hope.
 
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