Maritime, I agree with you. I'm one of the old farts. Fairly new to skeet, but I shoot OK. I'm one of those guys that says nothing unless asked for those very reasons you said. I love to see a newbee come out and knock 'em dead, but when that doesn't happen, I wait 'till the game is over and MAYBE say a few things I have noticed. I can usually tell if someone WANTS to be coached a little... or not. I shoot with a great bunch of guys and when I see one of them trying to coach a little too much, I just get his attention and shake my head. (leave the poor bugger ALONE!!). I find skeet shooting is like finding a load for your target centerfire... change ONE thing at a time... and stick with it for long enough to know if it works or not. I play with guys that are constantly shooting behind, so I will stick to my comment about missing ahead of it... I think it's easier to "come back" a little rather than throw your gun at a bird that's getting away. While I'm here, I'll also say that the most common mistake I see is on a double, when the first bird is fired at, the shooter comes out of the gun to try to "find" the second one. Heck, I'm still guilty of that sometimes. It just ain't where it's supposed to be! HA. Practice, practice... it's all FUN!!... C.