You bring up another good point, as the firearm I am acquiring is 1 out of only 10 being produced in this, 1st production run and it will be the first one of its kind in Canada.
Seems like a no brainer that it should qualify for exemption.
U.n. Firearms marking regulations
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You bring up another good point, as the firearm I am acquiring is 1 out of only 10 being produced in this, 1st production run and it will be the first one of its kind in Canada.
Seems like a no brainer that it should qualify for exemption.
pisces-guy
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So a petition against this is too much work to put together, or has everyone already surrendered?
Check your sarcasm detector, cause it's either broken...or you didn't get one installed.
Firearms are already having a serial number on it.
Is there any logical explanation to how inscribing certain "markings" will help achieve anything?
Having serial number serves a purpose (identifying a firearm), this proposed marking seems to have none, shouldn't that be enough grounds to challenge that in court?
This is beyond ridiculous waste of time & resources.
Is there any logical explanation to how inscribing certain "markings" will help achieve anything?
Having serial number serves a purpose (identifying a firearm), this proposed marking seems to have none, shouldn't that be enough grounds to challenge that in court?
This is beyond ridiculous waste of time & resources.
Hmm, why hasn't anyone brought forward an official E-Petition yet??? I know a few MP's that would more than likely sponsor this. Mr. Wolverine could come up with the proper wording perhaps. I know it's the 11th hour and this should have been done months ago but would it not hurt to try at the very least? We can write as many letters as we want but it will fall on deaf ears. I suppose an E-Petition might have the same problem but it may hold more clout given it's more visual (public's eye) than a personal letter/fax/email.
Bad Lieutenant
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Well hey, just post a link to the petition you've put together and I'm sure many of us will sign it...
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Back in January I sent in an email with some context and then asked, "...must the firearms be marked *only* after they arrive in Canada, or would it be possible for a Canadian distributor to order a number of firearms from a manufacturer in another country, and have the manufacturer pre-mark them with the Canadian import marks?"
The response I received is quoted below. I've removed the personal phone/fax/email of the analyst but could provide them privately on request for a justifiable reason.
RE: Question about firearms import markings
Firearms / Armesafeu (PS/SP) [ps.firearms-armesafeu.sp@canada.ca]
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 1:05 PM
To: <me>
Good Morning <me>,
Thank you for your inquiry. I apologize for the delay in responding. To answer your question, the Firearms Marking Regulations do not preclude the ability of a Canadian distributor to have a foreign manufacturer ‘pre-mark’ a shipment of firearms with the Canadian import marks. The requirement is to ensure the firearm is marked by the period specified in the Regulations.
Thank you again for writing,
Benjamin Gallant
Policy Analyst
Firearms and Operational Policing Policy Division / Division des armes à feu et des politiques opérationelles
Community Safety and Countering Crime Branch / Secteur de la sécurité communautaire et de la lutte contre le crime
Public Safety Canada / Securite publique Canada
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Thanks Cbf. I guess you saved me the trouble of writing a letter to confirm what I have been saying. Heck, maybe I'll do it anyways since I'm sure someone will interpret this to mean something different. It wouldn't hurt to have another opinion saying the same thing.
Mr Wolverine
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Thank you, please send me your contact details to John@wolverinesupplies.com this is an extremely valuable point that I will be acting on immediately.
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gh_defiant
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Forgive my ignorance on this one, but how does adding a couple extra character to a firearm "add over $200 to the price of every single firearm sold in Canada"? Where did they get this number?
patjohnw
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btabin
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From what I understand, there are certain requirements for the engraving, plus I'm sure most owners don't want any damage to their finish and whatnot. That means it most likely will have to be professionally done within the given time frame. All firearms imported into the country will need to get this done. Basically a wholely unnecessary step after manufacture that will not actually serve much of a purpose.
So from I'm reading, the stamping now has to say Canada/CA on imported firearms. Can someone fill me in as to what the issue is? They all have to be stamped with serial numbers, this is just 2 more letters.
I do see how it can be a legal snare to add another charge to someone though.
I do see how it can be a legal snare to add another charge to someone though.
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Some letters sent, looks to be another way to register fire arms,
What about if you send a gun to the US to get repaired or restored, would they have to be marked when returning??
Cause that would wreck the value of a restored gun.
What about if you send a gun to the US to get repaired or restored, would they have to be marked when returning??
Cause that would wreck the value of a restored gun.
VICIOUS
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HI. As to why this is needed. World social order. Orson wells!
Cameron SS
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Think of the time it would take to ship the firearm from the importers warehouse to a gun smith. Gun smith has to put the gun in a vice, inspect, pick a spot, engrave the firearm, clean up the engraving marks, and then refinish the engraved surfaces to match the original finish, box up the firearm and ship it back.
The issue is that if foreign manufacturers are not stamping their firearms as compliant with Canadian law at the time of manufacture, they will have to be remarked after import. This will cause delays and added handling costs as part of the import process, basically resulting in a significant premium put on foreign made firearms, for no benefit. This will likely result in delays with the import process as well.
There does not seem to be any obligation on the part of firearms owners to have their firearms marked appropriately, only that the importers need to have them marked. Failure to have them marked would constitute an offence under the firearms act.
In broad strokes the issue is that UN weapons inspectors tracking the flow of arms into conflict zones have difficulty tracing those firearms due to a lack of internationally recognized principles for the marking of small arms. The UN created an arms trade treaty where by all firearms manufacturers are supposed to mark the place of origin of the firearm, and importers/exporters are supposed to mark the arms as having transited through the country. In theory, if everyone in the world was compliant with the treaty, a firearm seized from a child soldier in an African conflict would be marked with every country it had transited through from point of manufacture to the conflict zone, or at least the last marked country on the firearm would be the last country the firearm entered legally, at which point the UN arms inspectors would know in what country the firearm fell into illegal possession. But of course international arms smugglers are about as likely to follow the law as a hood rat in Toronto is to register his prohibited handgun.
This theory is based on the fallacious assumption that all firearms supplied to parties to armed conflict are done so illegally, and that all such illegally possessed firearms were actually manufactured legally, and then diverted illegally to the conflict zone. The reality is that the UN recognizes the right of all nation states to acquire arms for sovereign self defense, and the majority of arms used in conflicts are purchased legally on the open market, and then later used illegally by those same people in unsanctioned armed conflicts.
The question we need to ask our government as they embark upon this idiotic marking regime is how many firearms once legally owned by Canadian civilians were illegally exported out of the country and have fallen into the hands of UN weapon inspectors after being seized in a conflict zone.
In my mind, the only firearms in Canada that should be subject to this regulation is those firearms specifically manufactured in Canada destined at the time of manufacture, for export to another government, government agent, or corporation for non-recreation/sporting purposes. All other firearms being exported from Canada COULD be subject to such a marking scheme if at the time of export it was identified that the firearms were being exported to a government, government agent, or corporation for non-recreation/sporting purposes. Similarly, whenever the Canadian government is exporting surplus firearms for transfer to other state actors, such as surplus C7s supplied to Afghan security forces, they also should be so marked.
Assisting UN weapons inspectors trying to stifle the flow of weapons to armed conflicts is a laudable goal. Targeting firearms destined for the Canadian civilian market for recreational purposes makes about as much sense as putting moose whistles on submarines.
No, firearms temporarily exported from and returned to Canada would be exempt, as long as ownership did not change while outside of Canada.
This is not another way to register firearms. Business records for importing of firearms already exist, and law enforcement can already get access to import records through a variety of means.
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nsgallup
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Sent letters out in print and email
pisces-guy
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Exactly, both CGN and the CSSA have experience in dealing with the government, I'm sure an E-Petition would be simple to set up...and if it's possible to send everyone a PM to sign it...
pisces-guy
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I'm sure that CGN and the CSSA have the experience to put together an official federal E-Petition as easy as pie. Then the mods can send a PM to everyone on CGN about signing it and send a link. Sounds a lot more efficient than and effective than something an individual could come up with, regardless of how willing he is...
