U.n. Firearms marking regulations

That would actually be a good job making idea for the "middle class". Hell I already have a full time job but I'd work there part time get paid to handle guns all day �� Got to see the positive
 
Hey .303
You mentioned in bfiles apc thread that the serial number on the apc is not the UN marking.

-does it not meet the criteria in some way?
-has it been established that the manufacturers cannot add.the mark before import?

Thanks!
 
From my post there:

This is not a UN marking in any way shape or form. Please do not let it be confused for one.
If you are referring to the serial number, that is how B&T serialize there firearms, if you are talking about the Wolverine Claw, that was a very nice touch done by our friends at B&T for us. B&T have always started their serial number with their country code designation and the last two digits of the year, this is their standard practice and was in place before the UN marking regulations came into effect. It remains to be seen if this would be accepted as a UN marking as it has been applied before importing and the UN marking must be applied with in 60 days after leaving CBSA.
 
It's gonna be interesting.

Assuming that mark meets the the requirements set out in section 4 then I have assumed that the "shall ensure" in section 2 means the importer must ensure it is present and is not required to mark it if is present and meets the requirements...

What a gong show... lol...
I feel for the businesses trying to figure this out...
 
will do

Wolverine .303 said:
U.N. FIREARMS MARKING REGULATIONS


From our friends at CSSA
The time is 11:59 p.m.
We are roaring up to the deadline. On June 1, 2017, the United Nations' Firearms Marking Regulations will be implemented, and Canada's gun industry will take the punch right in the head.

Oddly enough, the House of Commons is strangely silent on this.

We implore you to write to Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and firmly request that this foolish exercise be halted immediately, before extensive damage is done to a licensed, legitimate industry.

U.N. Marking is expensive, time consuming, potentially dangerous and worse, TOTALLY UNNECESSARY.

The United Nations requested we have a system of tracing firearms. The Chrétien government chose to add ridiculous post-manufacturing markings on all imported firearms.

Be forewarned – the cost of a firearm may rise dramatically and businesses may close.

• For 12 years, the CSSA and the CSAAA have stood virtually alone in opposing the implementation of this regulation.

• We have repeatedly warned our members about this issue.

• We have even been accused of exaggerating the case to raise funds. So let's be clear: the CSSA has never ONCE asked its members for money to support this issue. We have, however, asked for a call to action.

Once again – one last time – we need your assistance to deter the Government of Canada from implementing this damaging and useless regulation.

Please write to the Prime Minister and ask him to stop this implementation. Tell him the CSSA has a constructive alternative that will not cost Canadian jobs and buckets of money – money that will ultimately come out of your pocket. Don't hesitate. Do it now – it's even free!


Thank you!
Team CSSA
Contact information:
The Right Honourable Justin Trudeau
Prime Minister of Canada
Office of the Prime Minister
80 Wellington Street
Ottawa, Ontario
K1A 0A2
Telephone: 613- 995-0253
Fax: 613-941-6900
Email: justin.trudeau@parl.gc.ca
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I just noticed something in the proposed regs...there is an exception for "a specially imported firearm". Does anyone know what would fall into that category? Would stuff brought in via irunguns count, for example?
 
Cbf123 said:
I just noticed something in the proposed regs...there is an exception for "a specially imported firearm". Does anyone know what would fall into that category? Would stuff brought in via irunguns count, for example?
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Doesn't look that way because the specially imported is defined as temporary

specially imported firearm means a firearm imported on a temporary basis by a business that holds a firearms licence, as a good under tariff item No. 9993.00.00 of the List of Tariff Provisions set out in the schedule to theCustoms Tariff. (arme à feu d’importation spéciale
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3. (1) Every individual, business or public service agency that imports a firearm shall ensure that the firearm is marked in accordance with section 4 before the 60th day after its release as defined in subsection 2(1) of the Customs Act or before transferring the firearm, whichever occurs first.
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where does it state that the marking CANNOT be done when manufactured? just says BEFORE the 60th day, when it is made is way before the 60th day

what agency is responsible to check after importation?

is there a requirement to report these markings to anyone?

(3) In the case of an imported firearm, the Registrar, on application by the individual, business or public service agency that is importing it, shall grant the applicant an exemption from the requirement set out in paragraph (2)(c) if
(a) marking the firearm in a place that is visible only by disassembling the firearm is consistent with the
current practices of the manufacturer of that model of firearm;
(b) the firearm does not provide a visible space suitable to stamp or engrave the markings;
(c) the firearm is rare;
(d) the firearm is of a value that is unusually high for that type of firearm and that value would be significantly reduced if the markings were visible without disassembly; or
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who determines if it is rare?
who determines value?

this section is basically referring to used guns, so what agency if responsible for appraising used guns?
 
Frontier Firearms said:
after its release as defined in subsection 2(1) of the Customs Act or before transferring the firearm, whichever occurs first.
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I know it may be interpreted differently but the "shall ensure" requirement is met if it meets the marking requirements upon import and it makes sense that the after release is only if it is released without markings to the importer without the markings meeting section 4
 
Cbf123 said:
If you look earlier I quoted an email from someone at Public Safety Canada giving exactly that interpretation...Wolverine .303 was following up with them to confirm.
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Cbf123 said:
To answer your question, the Firearms Marking Regulations do not preclude the ability of a Canadian distributor to have a foreign manufacturer ‘pre-mark’ a shipment of firearms with the Canadian import marks. The requirement is to ensure the firearm is marked by the period specified in the Regulations.
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Definition of not

1
—used as a function word to make negative a group of words or a word

2
—used as a function word to stand for the negative of a preceding group of words is sometimes hard to see and sometimes not



Definition of preclude
precluded; precluding

transitive verb

1
archaic : close

2
: to make impossible by necessary consequence : rule out in advance
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so by your own words, it is NOT IMPOSSIBLE for a Canadian distributor to have a foreign manufacturer ‘pre-mark’ a shipment of firearms with the Canadian import marks
 
P0WERWAGON said:
so by your own words, it is NOT IMPOSSIBLE for a Canadian distributor to have a foreign manufacturer ‘pre-mark’ a shipment of firearms with the Canadian import marks
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Yes, precisely.

I think my statement may have given the impression that I thought it could not be marked at the factory. Just to be clear, my understanding is that an importer *could* have the manufacturer "pre-mark" the firearms prior to sending them to Canada.
 
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