tin foil hats might be on a little too tight,the Lib care about one thing,VOTES,if they're not moving forward it's because it was very clear to them,this could cost them votes and loss of power,the last thing they want,they've seen how the firearms community can rally pretty quickly.with social media these days,millions can be reached in hours,and whee millions hear of the tax dollars wasted and lost,,the whinning and #####ing will start,they know their laws are stupid,but it's all about appeasing the bleeding heart anti-gun chicken ####s in a few large cities,but NOW,,they also see the LARGE amount of votes in the country,and little shiny pony must have seen what happened in the US,,when a part forgets country folks as un-important,you can bet he doesn't want that happening here,they also know that there's an awfull large number of country folks who never bother to vote,but with the right wind in the sail,they just might this time around,they are an unknown factor the Libs have to think about,and maybe pissing off a large group of population like gun owners,hunters,farmers,and their friends might not be the best idea,there are probably way more gun owners now that the anti-gun wimps that scream bloody murder about anything gun related,so fear mongering on her about what the big bad Libs are going to do,is a waste of time,
U.n. Firearms marking regulations
- Thread starter Wolverine .303
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tin foil hats might be on a little too tight,the Lib care about one thing,VOTES,if they're not moving forward it's because it was very clear to them,this could cost them votes and loss of power,the last thing they want,they've seen how the firearms community can rally pretty quickly.with social media these days,millions can be reached in hours,and whee millions hear of the tax dollars wasted and lost,,the whinning and #####ing will start,they know their laws are stupid,but it's all about appeasing the bleeding heart anti-gun chicken ####s in a few large cities,but NOW,,they also see the LARGE amount of votes in the country,and little shiny pony must have seen what happened in the US,,when a part forgets country folks as un-important,you can bet he doesn't want that happening here,they also know that there's an awfull large number of country folks who never bother to vote,but with the right wind in the sail,they just might this time around,they are an unknown factor the Libs have to think about,and maybe pissing off a large group of population like gun owners,hunters,farmers,and their friends might not be the best idea,there are probably way more gun owners now that the anti-gun wimps that scream bloody murder about anything gun related,so fear mongering on her about what the big bad Libs are going to do,is a waste of time,
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- Ontario
Does Wolverine care to comment on their membership in an organization that is working with the Liberals to help introduce the UN marking?
https://www.defenceandsecurity.ca/media/article&id=318&t=c
Wolverine's membership listing in the organization.
http://www.canadiancapabilities.ca/...ails&Address_ID=15102&term=Wolverine+Supplies
https://www.defenceandsecurity.ca/media/article&id=318&t=c
Wolverine's membership listing in the organization.
http://www.canadiancapabilities.ca/...ails&Address_ID=15102&term=Wolverine+Supplies
Mr Wolverine
CGN Regular
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- Manitoba. Canada
As you have correctly pointed out Wolverine is a member of CADSI, this is out of necessity as CADSI host CANSEC, which is the largest Military and Police trade show held in Canada, which Wolverine attends.
The United Nations Arms Trade Treaty is not only about the import marking on small arms, that is just a small part of it.
The statements announced by CADSI do not reflect the views of all their members. Although they claim to speak on behalf of their members we certainly have not been consulted, this is an internal issue that we are in the process of addressing.
The United Nations Arms Trade Treaty is not only about the import marking on small arms, that is just a small part of it.
The statements announced by CADSI do not reflect the views of all their members. Although they claim to speak on behalf of their members we certainly have not been consulted, this is an internal issue that we are in the process of addressing.
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- Ontario
I understand that "business is business" and sometimes accommodations need to be made to service the bottom line. No argument there from me.
CADSI has however endorsed and been committed to "working with" the Liberals on the UN Treaty for some time now. Its not a secret. There's even a post here from a year ago on the matter.
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/for...e-United-Nations-Arms-Trade-Treaty?p=12409990
So either you didn't know about CADSI's position or were fully aware when you asked us to write letters in opposition to legislation that an organization you support financially and is committed to bring into effect.
Or as he said the UNATT is more than just the firearms marking and ultimately CADSI will work closely with any govt in power on anything as you don't sway govt opinion by snubbing them
NickVR
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- New Brunswick
Interesting.. 
Are we meant to understand that you agree with other aspects of the United Nations Arms Trade Treaty? Sorry, but it seems like you guys are trying to have it both ways here. Calls to action on this message board to help defeat the UN markings, while at the same time breaking bread with the same people who are vying for it at trade shows? At the very least it's brutta figura. Others might use harsher words like "collusion" and "misrepresentation".
I am a member of the Conservative Party of Canada, this does not mean I agree with all of their policies and positions. Sounds to me like it is in Wolverine's best interest to be a member of CADSI and while that is true they do not agree with all there policies and positions.
Pretty normal stuff here IMO
Pretty normal stuff here IMO
Mr Wolverine
CGN Regular
- Location
- Manitoba. Canada
Firstly I must make a correction to my statement "The United Nations Arms Trade Treaty is not only about the import marking on small arms, that is just a small part of it." The UN Import marking is totally different to the UNATT.
Wolverine is a member of CADSI, I have already explained why.
CADSI have issued statements with out consulting their members, this is been addressed.
I think my record of fighting for the rights of Canadian Gun Owners can stand by itself.
We have better things to do with our time than start scrapping amongst ourselves, how the anti gunners must laugh at us!
I don't doubt your record and appreciate all efforts that serve the Canadian firearms community, but let us not pretend that it is not in your best interest as a firearms retailer.
On this point we are in full agreement. I think we can agree that this information, that while optically questionable, does not deter from your stance on Canadian gun rights.
Thank you for clarifying.
Mr Wolverine
CGN Regular
- Location
- Manitoba. Canada
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I don't doubt your record and appreciate all efforts that serve the Canadian firearms community, but let us not pretend that it is not in your best interest as a firearms retailer.
In that case how is it that well over 50% of Canadian Firearms Dealers are not members of any shooting organisation, they do not actively lobby the Government or CFC RCMP, in fact many keep a low profile as they believe that is the best way to help their business. There have been many times when I have wished I had been one of those! but it is simply not in my nature.
I was a firearms owner, collector and hunter long before I started Wolverine Supplies, my first letter to the Government about Firearms control was also long before I started Wolverine Supplies.
You have a strange way of " appreciating my efforts"!
I don't doubt your record and appreciate all efforts that serve the Canadian firearms community, but let us not pretend that it is not in your best interest as a firearms retailer.
In that case how is it that well over 50% of Canadian Firearms Dealers are not members of any shooting organisation, they do not actively lobby the Government or CFC RCMP, in fact many keep a low profile as they believe that is the best way to help their business. There have been many times when I have wished I had been one of those! but it is simply not in my nature.
I was a firearms owner, collector and hunter long before I started Wolverine Supplies, my first letter to the Government about Firearms control was also long before I started Wolverine Supplies.
You have a strange way of " appreciating my efforts"!
Do you have data on this? I would love to compile a list of Canadian firearms dealers that support our rights/community and those that do not. I know first hand my local dealer (advertises on this forum) is a huge supporter both monetarily and vocally of Canadian gun right and causes.
My apologies if I came across insincere, I do appreciate your efforts as I'm sure many in this community do.
shanemacbigsac
New member
Letter sent.
- Location
- Ontario
In what way is the import marking "totally different" than the UNATT as it is the UNATT that prescribes the markings?
CADSI's position has been public for over a year during which time you renewed your membership in the organization. Meanwhile, you are asking us to donate our time to oppose pending legislation while an organization you support financially is "committed to working with" the Liberals to pass the very same legislation.
And here's a prediction, when the Liberals introduce their law you can expect CADSI's endorsement will be held up as proof that arms manufacturers, gun makers and dealers such as you support the UN Treaty. Count on it.
Actually after reviewing the documentation regarding UNATT it would seem like they are included.
Mr. Wolv can you explain why you think the markings are not park of UNATT?
stencollector
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- shilo MB, the armpit of Canada
Go back to post number 263 and John said this:
So you are both in agreement. John is merely pointing out that there is a lot more to the UNATT than just the firearms marking.
Mr Wolverine
CGN Regular
- Location
- Manitoba. Canada
I corrected my previous statement after conversation with Tony of CILA/ CSAAA. In any event CADSI are making statements with out consultation with their members. Several large Canadian firearms importers are members of CADSI, just because you are a member of an organisation does not automatically mean that you support all their statements or that you are even aware of them. As I said before this is an issue that is been addressed.
- Location
- Ontario
We are expected to draw the inference that you did not know and/or do not support CADSI's position. You are aware of now. Do you support CADSI's commit to work with the Liberals to bring in this legislation? Do intend to keep financially supporting the organization?
Mr Wolverine
CGN Regular
- Location
- Manitoba. Canada
You are free to draw what ever inference you like, I have clearly stated my position and have no further comment. I have nothing to hide, my past record speaks for itself, so I will leave this thread unlocked.
- Location
- Ontario
Your reticence to discuss the issue in other than vague generalities followed by "no further comment" speaks for itself too.
