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Anybody have any updates about buying ammo in the states and trying to bring back to Canada? Just returned from Minot N.D, got to Canadian border was asked the usual about ammo, guns, blah blah, said yes I have ammo, was asked if I had permission from the ATF to possess it? told cbsa no, but since I made to the Canadian side, let me in already, he said they are setting up daily on the U.S side and seizing any ammo, but if you go to the ATF website or talk to them you get conflicting answers.:confused: Anyway, sounds like they are seizing ready to fire ammo, but not necessarily components, but then again likely powder would be seized. Any one with similar experiences lately.
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Please carefully do your research on the exportation of firearms, firearm parts, ammunition components, ammunition and military "style" optics. All require export permits from the Department of State. If you get caught exporting without the proper paperwork, they can seize your property including your vehicle and deport you from the US. You will then be banned from entry into the US. The US is playing for keeps here...you can't use the explanation that you have done it for years. Times have changed, you risk jail and banning from the US if you get called on it.

Do your research. There are numerous posts on the board concerning this. Remember it is not Canadian import regs your concerned about....it US export regs...

Cheers

Jeff
 
A buddy and I brought up a Cooper and 2000 rds of Prvi Partizen 62 gr last summer. You need an export permit form the State Dept ( which we had ) . You as a nonimmigrant alien would be in big trouble if caught with ammunition and no Form 6 waiver.

w w w .atf.gov/firearms/form6updatesfaqs.htm

Sabre~!

Edit: the Dept of Commerce handles Shotgun exports
 
"...let me in already..." Our side only cares about the taxes and not letting in stuff declared evil by Canadian law. They're not paid to enforce U.S. law.
"...not necessarily components..." Components require the export permit. Reloading equipment does not.
You got lucky this time. The U.S. Homeland Security types take their job extremely seriously.
 
Thanks for the info, I did a quick search here for U.S. import regulations but came up nada, that's why I asked, thanks everyone for the input, and I can see now how very lucky I was, cbsa said that it was odd they(americans) didn't have their checkpoint up that day, that usually it's up everyday, good thing for Mondays I guess, woulda coulda lost a couple hundred bucks of ammo/components and possibley a brand new car. :(
 
I go down to washington state at least once every 3 months and bring back 500-1000 rounds max, no import permit, no nothing, never any problems, all this stuff you hear about all these laws and and they will seize your car and ban you from the states is bs! has anyone on here actually head of this happening? doubt it! just keep that brochure with you that you get from the canada customs saying what you are allowed and not allowed to bring back and if they ever do stop you before the border just show em that and you shouldnt have any problems, there is NOTHING in there that states ANYTHING about import permits! you might get a warning, who knows, i will personally continue to bring ammo accross the border everytime i go down with no permit, these guys are looking for people that are actually bringing back 5000 rounds per person for example, 5 people in a big truck loaded with 25000 rounds! they will screw with you then people like this are out to re-sell this stuff when you are bringing back quantities like that, for the average guy or girl, bringing back ammo for personal use will have no problems, just keep it under 5000 rounds per person!
 
I've had 300.00 bucks worth of ammo confiscated by the Americans driving back from Kesselring bros a few years back. they were waiting for us on the U.S side of the peace arch in the lower mainland. They Asked me," if i had an export permit". i said,"no" and they took everything.
 
icelink said:
I go down to washington state at least once every 3 months and bring back 500-1000 rounds max, no import permit, no nothing, never any problems, all this stuff you hear about all these laws and and they will seize your car and ban you from the states is bs! has anyone on here actually head of this happening? doubt it! just keep that brochure with you that you get from the canada customs saying what you are allowed and not allowed to bring back and if they ever do stop you before the border just show em that and you shouldnt have any problems, there is NOTHING in there that states ANYTHING about import permits! you might get a warning, who knows, i will personally continue to bring ammo accross the border everytime i go down with no permit, these guys are looking for people that are actually bringing back 5000 rounds per person for example, 5 people in a big truck loaded with 25000 rounds! they will screw with you then people like this are out to re-sell this stuff when you are bringing back quantities like that, for the average guy or girl, bringing back ammo for personal use will have no problems, just keep it under 5000 rounds per person!
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We seem to go over this again and again and again. It is illegal according to US law. There is no debate. You can beleive anything you like. Canada Customs is not the concern....US customs is. If you are caught, you can and will be banned from the US. It is not importation which is the issue....it is exportation from the US.

I would suggest you very carefully try to understand the difference between importing into Canada....and exporting from the US. You can NOT export ammunition from the US without the proper paperwork. The issue here is being questions on departure from teh US by US Customs. I have seen it myself. Canadian customs is not charged with enforcing US laws.

So understand the question so you can provide some meaningful feedback. The question is exportation from the US...not importation into Canada. Is that clear enough for everyone.

By the way, good job admitting that you are breaking US law...every three months. Under our current policies, it is prohibited to discuss illegal activites and worthy of infractions....however in this case, for educational purposes...lets call it a warning.
 
jamiejaf said:
I've had 300.00 bucks worth of ammo confiscated by the Americans driving back from Kesselring bros a few years back. they were waiting for us on the U.S side of the peace arch in the lower mainland. They Asked me," if i had an export permit". i said,"no" and they took everything.
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Thanks for the information. A very good example......is everyone paying attention? You can not export without the proper paperwork.
 
"...about import permits!..." That's because it's U.S. law that requires an export permit. Our side only cares about collecting the taxes. When you get stopped by U.S. Homeland Security, who do random spot checks of outgoing vehicles, you will be charged by them, the ammo confiscated and you will be denied entry to the U.S. forever.
"...5000 rounds per person..." Perfectly legal under Canadian law. 5,000 rounds is one case of .22 ammo. You're allowed, by Canadian law, to being back that much for personal use.
 
Citizenship makes no difference for US exports, except that a citizen can apply for an export permit 1 time, rather than going through an exporter.
 
Dual citizenship means squat. Americans don't recognize the concept. If you are an American, you are American. They wonder why you would want to be anything else. I am a U.S. citizen, born there and I can't take a .22 rimfire cartridge in or out of the U.S.
As for the 'homeland security' folks, they are protecting their jobs at this time. These are 60k/yr. jobs in rural areas. Every feather in their cap goes into their file, strengthening their job, remember all of these were hired in the last 5 yr. so seniority is not the issue. With cutbacks to the federal gov't inevitable, these folks are going to try every angle to up their profile. Busting a redneck canuck with a trunkfull of ammo is the way to do it. This will only get worse. I live close to the border, used to cross 3 times a week, not any more. We shot handguns with the customs guys at Raymond in the 1980's behind the customs building, which was all of 800 sq. ft. Not any more. Mark
 
jennis said:
'CanAm' any chance you could start bringing in ' hunting shack montana ' ???????
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I believe someone is working on it already, as it was recently approved. It may be that the factory cannot keep up with US orders, so Canada waits. Frankly, I stay away from importing any US products, too much hassle. Permits can take months.
 
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