U.S. Ban on 0.40 S&W exports to Canada?

[Griffoneur]

The proposed ban applies only to "military" calibers. (5.56mm/.223REM, 7.62mm/.308 Winchester, .40S&W, .45ACP). The U.S. state dept has frozen any new export permits until it is decided if this will become law or not. It isn't law as yet.

 

[bjs7293]

Careful, that box of Walmart 9MM Winchester ammo could cost your car,, homeland security has a dim view of ALIENS buying ammo or gun stuff!!

If they want my 78 Ford Granada they can have it, got a 1981 to take it's place. Have always declared the ammo at the Canadian border, showed my PAL and was on wy way..........

 

[canucklehead]

If they want my 78 Ford Granada they can have it, got a 1981 to take it's place. Have always declared the ammo at the Canadian border, showed my PAL and was on wy way..........

Again, it's not the Canadian laws being broken - it's the US ones. A Non-resident alien may not buy ammo unless you have a valid hunting license. And exporting it out of the US without a permit is also a no-no.

If they did catch you in the US, it would be more than siezing your car. Try much, much worse. You would likely get put on the 'undesireable' list, and will never enter the States again. At a minimum.

 

[667]

The following is an alert from the CSSA:


We have it on good authority that the U.S. State Dept is cutting off all Export Permits for certain calibers of ammunition,

Until this "good authority" has a name.... this statement has no cred.

 

[soulchaser]

Until this "good authority" has a name.... this statement has no cred.

Given it came DIRECTLY from the CSSA, a group dedicated to protecting our rights to own firearms, I will assume it has credibility.

 

[Silverback]

The proposed ban applies only to "military" calibers. (5.56mm/.223REM, 7.62mm/.308 Winchester, .40S&W, .45ACP). The U.S. state dept has frozen any new export permits until it is decided if this will become law or not. It isn't law as yet.

Since when is 40 S&W a Military caliber, is the US military going to a new caliber?

 

[big g]

The world will not come to an end !!

Where there is demand, someone will supply !! It's fundamental economics.

Manufacturing ammunition is not rocket science. Even Canada still has a domestic capability manufacturing ammunition.

http://www.snctec.com/html/en/home/index.php

Just because they currently don't sell to the Canadian civilian market doesn't mean they couldn't if the business case and profit potential dramatically increased ! After all they were CIL in a previous life.
And let's not forget about our Chinese friends. Look what Norinco has done for the M14 etc. I have used Norinco .223 and it's every bit as good a Win. white box.
I could go on sighting examples but I think you get the picture. As long as the door is not closed to imports by the Canadian government, export bans are at most a temporary inconvenience.
So let the CIA and the State Department knock them selves out. I shoot .32 Remington,.303 Savage and I reload.

Big G

 

[gushulak]

You guys think this won't affect you because you reload. I have 100K primers and brass and bullets ready to go, but I am concerned that the center of all firearms research and development into ammunition seems to take place in the US.

I personally would not want to be cut off from that market, but again, I think the government thinks a little too much of themselves if they don't think stuff isn't gonna end up here.

Read this post, enough guys don't know the laws and are breaking them everyday. Good supply for me to buy from since I don't have to put myself in jeapardy by breaking US laws. I see enough Wolf ammo and other stuff for sale on the EE that proves this.

CIL vs. Federal or Winchester etc. What again does CIL have the will compete with the SXT or the HST?

We'll be in the stone age without the US research and devopment going into our consumer ammo.

Besides where the hell else am I gonna get my 5.56 75gr. TAP from?

 

[Garand]

Where there is demand, someone will supply !! It's fundamental economics.

Manufacturing ammunition is not rocket science. Even Canada still has a domestic capability manufacturing ammunition.

http://www.snctec.com/html/en/home/index.php

Just because they currently don't sell to the Canadian civilian market doesn't mean they couldn't if the business case and profit potential dramatically increased ! After all they were CIL in a previous life.
And let's not forget about our Chinese friends. Look what Norinco has done for the M14 etc. I have used Norinco .223 and it's every bit as good a Win. white box.
I could go on sighting examples but I think you get the picture. As long as the door is not closed to imports by the Canadian government, export bans are at most a temporary inconvenience.
So let the CIA and the State Department knock them selves out. I shoot .32 Remington,.303 Savage and I reload.

Big G

GD specifically purchased SNC Lavalin, because they couldn't produce enough SAA (Small Arms Ammunition) for the US Military in the lower 48, plus there are minimal international media problems by using ammo manufactured in Canada, compared to that manufactured in say Israel or South Africa. Don't hold your breath that they will sell to the civilian market!

 

[Mauserman]

I heard elvis is still alive too

and working for the CIA.

 

[shootemup]

Quote:

Originally Posted by shoot!!!
Careful, that box of Walmart 9MM Winchester ammo could cost your car,, homeland security has a dim view of ALIENS buying ammo or gun stuff!!

If they want my 78 Ford Granada they can have it, got a 1981 to take it's place. Have always declared the ammo at the Canadian border, showed my PAL and was on wy way..........

:stfun00

 

[Buck45]

it's a FELONY to be a NON USA CITIZEN/ PERMANENT RESIDENT to have possession of AMMO FIREARMS ETC while in the USA without ATF approval, Exporting could get you banned from entering the USA. See CSSA and ATF WEB SITES.

 

[Chemist]

And he lives on an island with JFK. On a more serious note, I understand you aren't allowed to buy ammo at lets say Wally World in the US and bring it back. Don't they ask from any ID when you buy ammo in the US? Just curious.

I heard elvis is still alive too

 

[B]

If you guys would keep your lame jokes to yourselves it would make sorting out the bulls**t a lot easier. Will this affect components? Any idea of if\when this will take effect?

 

[pricedo]

it's a FELONY to be a NON USA CITIZEN/ PERMANENT RESIDENT to have possession of AMMO FIREARMS ETC while in the USA without ATF approval, Exporting could get you banned from entering the USA. See CSSA and ATF WEB SITES.

You can export ammo from the US with the appropriate permit from the US State Department but the time frames are protracted (very).

Life Memberships: NRA, GOA, CSSA, NFA, OFAH
CCW Permits: Utah, Pennsylvania, New Hampshire, Maine

 

[kenjuudo]

You can export ammo from the US with the appropriate permit from the US State Department but the time frames are protracted (very).

Life Memberships: NRA, GOA, CSSA, NFA, OFAH
CCW Permits: Utah, Pennsylvania, New Hampshire, Maine

With that said "US Persons" (read: citizens AND legal residents) can export up to 1000 rounds per "shipment" as long as it is not for resale... if you have US citizenship, and live in Canada, you can legally bring in (export) 1000 rounds at a time (from the US) without permits...

I add this to suggest that not all the ammo available on the EE etc. that you wouldn't normally see here in Canada, is brought into the country by less than legal means.

22 C.F.R. § 123.16 Exemptions of general applicability.


(a) The following exemptions apply to exports of unclassified defense articles for which no approval is needed from the Directorate of Defense Trade Controls. These exemptions do not apply to: Proscribed destinations under §126.1 of this subchapter; exports for which Congressional notification is required (see §123.15 of this subchapter); MTCR articles; Significant Military Equipment (SME); and may not be used by persons who are generally ineligible as described in §120.1(c) of this subchapter. All shipments of defense articles, including those to and from Canada, require a Shipper's Export Declaration (SED) or notification letter. If the export of a defense article is exempt from licensing, the SED must cite the exemption. Refer to §123.22 for Shipper's Export Declaration and letter notification requirements.

(b) The following exports are exempt from the licensing requirements of this subchapter.

[...snip...]

(6) For exemptions for firearms and ammunition for personal use refer to §123.17.

22 C.F.R. § 123.17 Exports of firearms and ammunition.

[...snip...]

e) Port Directors of U.S. Customs and Border Protection shall permit U.S. persons to export without a license ammunition for nonautomatic firearms referred to in paragraph (a) of this section if the quantity does not exceed 1,000 cartridges (or rounds) in any shipment. The ammunition must also be for personal use and not for resale or other transfer of ownership. The foregoing exemption is also not applicable to the personnel referred to in §123.18 [members of the military have a separate exemption].

Definitions

[...snip...]

§ 120.15 U.S. person.

U.S. person means a person (as defined in §120.14 of this part) who is a lawful permanent resident as defined by 8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(20) or who is a protected individual as defined by 8 U.S.C. 1324b(a)(3). It also means any corporation, business association, partnership, society, trust, or any other entity, organization or group that is incorporated to do business in the United States. It also includes any governmental (federal, state or local) entity. It does not include any foreign person as defined in §120.16 of this part.


8 U.S.C. 1324b(a)(3)

[...snip...]

(3) ``Protected individual'' defined

As used in paragraph (1), the term ``protected individual''
means an individual who--

(A) is a citizen or national of the United States, or
(B) is an alien who is lawfully admitted for permanent residence...

[...snip...]

 

[TrevorW]

If they want my 78 Ford Granada they can have it, got a 1981 to take it's place. Have always declared the ammo at the Canadian border, showed my PAL and was on wy way..........

Its one of those really wierd things , I called Canadian Border Services and they told me that you can legally and without an import permit bring back up to 5000 rounds of ammo from the states , BUT in the states apparently it is illegal for an Alien to purchase ammo there ! So you can buy it there cause but if you get caught there I guess you could be in trouble? Silly Americans , ammo is for everyone!!

 

[TrevorW]

everytime i have ever been back into canada from the states , I have never been through the american border side , when you come back you go through the canadian side so how are the americans going to know if you are "exporting" ammo! They check you on the way in to thier country not the way out

 

[BRS9]

it's a FELONY to be a NON USA CITIZEN/ PERMANENT RESIDENT to have possession of AMMO FIREARMS ETC while in the USA without ATF approval, Exporting could get you banned from entering the USA. See CSSA and ATF WEB SITES.

Hmmm... maybe I should stop buying up boxes and boxes of pistol ammo each time I go into Bellingham.

I declare it (almost) every time and not once has the CDN border agent had an issue. I guess they don't know?

I know people that only buy their ammo at US wal-marts... when was this made illegal? And why don't the CBSA care? ####, everythings ####ing illegal now

 

[Morpheus32]

Hmmm... maybe I should stop buying up boxes and boxes of pistol ammo each time I go into Bellingham.

I declare it (almost) every time and not once has the CDN border agent had an issue. I guess they don't know?

I know people that only buy their ammo at US wal-marts... when was this made illegal? And why don't the CBSA care? f**k, everythings f**king illegal now

The CBSA don't care about US export rules...just Canadian import. We don't enforce US Gov regs at the border. The risk you are taking is being spot checked by the US side which has happened at some ports of entry. The risk is huge....given the potential penalties.