ultimate deer rifle???

EJG said:
Ultimate Deer rifle, sounds like getting a compromise just right. The closest to "just right" or "can cope with most situations" I got in a build was with my old Mauser 1909, Lothar Walther 308 sporter barrel 20", in a carbon fibre Multipurpose stock with AICS type magazine system 5 or 10 shot mags. On top the 3-12x50 Schmidt & Bender Zenith with Flash Dot 7, precision hunter turrets on up as well as windage. Bolt was converted to be semi CRF, but also does push feed. Just about the most reliable feeding rifle I have. Many deer have been taken with her from 5m to bit over 400m. First choice rifle I give to guests. She has the original 2 stage trigger in here slightly tuned to around 2.5lb.

Rifle fitted with a 7oz front mounted can and 5 shot aics mag.

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nice rig, almost ultimate, it doesn't fit everyone or adjust to suit what you're wearing/clothes/backpack etc., you do have suppressor which we will have in Canada one day, my rig is threaded and waiting for a tbac ultra5 then it will be the ultimate, we just have to watch the fall of the current cabal regimes and replace with real humans, disclosure for the public comes in 2023 so enjoy the show folks but you heard it from me awhile ago...we will have suppressors, handguns on our hips, and AR's in the not to distant future, got a big old mess to clean up first
 
blakeyboy said:
au contraire mon frère

there is, and here it is...

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it actually fits everyone, 15 big game in 5 seasons (well 14 big game and a wolf which I'm counting), a Dad and 2 kids, 6 kills by the kids, 9 by the Dad, 10 yards to 420 yards, all three of us have dial ups on deer 300/355/420, deer kills have been 70-420 yards, we've got a few black bears 10-55 yards, 6.5 ft/lbs recoil energy means it still 'fits all' in terms of shootability, 6.5 Grendel, Hornady 123gr Eld-m factory ammo

3' feet of ultimate one size fits all deer rifle right there, you can keep your pack on and shorten the lop with the press of a button for still hunting, or sit down and wait leaving pack on as a back rest, 21st century options only will work for this discussion imo, if your rig can't fit everyone(recoil included) then it's not the ultimate...just might be the ultimate 'for you, or some of the people' ;)

another thing that makes this 'ultimate'...everything off the shelf, including the ammo, sub-moa, zero fat, 1700 fps comes at 500 yards, a deer dropped at 420 was 1800 fps impact, watch it all in the scope, oh and illuminated reticle for low light and bush, plus intuitive for anyone to place at crunch time, ultimate ultimate ultimate
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Glad you enjoy it... but hardly the "ultimate" deer rifle...
 
remington jim said:
I have Howa Mini 1500 in 6.5 Grendel - Its a Pretty Handy little rifle with NO recoil ! Its got Good Deer killing power to 300 yards i Suspect ! I like it ! RJ s
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Yes Sir and even further than that, it triples the distances the old 30-30 did burning 30 grains of powder, it's what we run, dropped a fat Alberta whitetail doe at 420, quartering, 15" through and through, top of heart area destroyed, 1800 fps impact with Hornady Black Eld-m, 16.1" barrel and 2386 fps launch. Not much will take that in the ribs at 400 yards. Nice to watch most of it in the scope too.
 
blakeyboy said:
fixed it for ya, you'll need to qualify your list and show a pic of your take on the ultimate deer rifle then...
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Can't post a picture of something that does not exist... although they do it with sasquatch all the time...

I know what I like to use, but there are several of those depending on where I am hunting and the weather at the time... so, no ultimate available.

Your chosen platform aside, the cartridge itself (6.5 Grendel), while a cool little cartridge and "sufficient" for medium game, is hardly "ultimate"... and I have nothing but love for the X39 case and have several rifles chambered for various versions of it.
 
hoytcanon said:
Can't post a picture of something that does not exist... although they do it with sasquatch all the time...

I know what I like to use, but there are several of those depending on where I am hunting and the weather at the time... so, no ultimate available.

Your chosen platform aside, the cartridge itself (6.5 Grendel), while a cool little cartridge and "sufficient" for medium game, is hardly "ultimate"... and I have nothing but love for the X39 case and have several rifles chambered for various versions of it.
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I'm with you on the Sasquatch we'd have trail cam pics and tracks a plenty by now in this digital age where everything is under surveillance and recorded.

However, the ultimate deer rifle does exist and you can post a picture of it, I did.

Focus less on the case and more on the the rifle first, then focus on the bullet required and impact velocities required. The cartridge will reveal itself from there.

Start with the bullet if you like maximum efficiency and application. If you understand most hunters limitations, the size and construction of animal, the distances most do or can get it done at. This equals a modern rapid controlled expansion 123gr bullet with a .5 bc and .252 sd landing on deer anywhere north of 1700 fps is ideal and more than enough for even larger game. When you chase that down bullet first and then look to a cartridge that will push that to those velocities without any extra fat inside the ranges 99.8% of deer are taken then you realize the x39 case is perfect and no excess. 1700 fps lands at about 500 yards from a 16" barrel and you can add 110 yards with a 24" barrel. Very few deer are taken past 450 as very few are competent past that.

Maximum efficiency is 'ultimate', this means ultimate amount of people of any size will shoot it well when you only have single digit ft/lbs of recoil energy, and then if you stuff it into a rifle system that can also easily fit the ultimate amount of people you're really getting somewhere. Very 21st century. ;)

Of course you'll tick off other check boxes that would equal ultimate such as sub-moa, all factory off the shelf including ammo, and do a decent scope and elevation comp. Well heck...if you made a check list page of all the possible requirements one would come up with for the ultimate deer rifle/cartridge...the one I posted a pic of would hit more of them than any other. The rifle has all the 21st century answers checked off. The cartridge and bullet does too. And for the first time in maybe history you can get it all off the shelf, rendering custom and reloading optional. Don't be a dinosaur man, it's ok to say the ultimate for me is such and such on this day...that's great but if we're talking about the ultimate period...I got'r'dun. There it is again. Now we all know the answer. :)
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This rig does bush, blinds, prone long, fits everyone, everyone shoots it well, and smashes deer to further than most can hit em, can't wear a barrel out, watch it happen in the scope, affordable to shoot, it just goes on and on. ;)
 

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blakeyboy said:
I'm with you on the Sasquatch we'd have trail cam pics and tracks a plenty by now in this digital age where everything is under surveillance and recorded.

However, the ultimate deer rifle does exist and you can post a picture of it, I did.

Focus less on the case and more on the the rifle first, then focus on the bullet required and impact velocities required. The cartridge will reveal itself from there.

Start with the bullet if you like maximum efficiency and application. If you understand most hunters limitations, the size and construction of animal, the distances most do or can get it done at. This equals a modern rapid controlled expansion 123gr bullet with a .5 bc and .252 sd landing on deer anywhere north of 1700 fps is ideal and more than enough for even larger game. When you chase that down bullet first and then look to a cartridge that will push that to those velocities without any extra fat inside the ranges 99.8% of deer are taken then you realize the x39 case is perfect and no excess. 1700 fps lands at about 500 yards from a 16" barrel and you can add 110 yards with a 24" barrel. Very few deer are taken past 450 as very few are competent past that.

Maximum efficiency is 'ultimate', this means ultimate amount of people of any size will shoot it well when you only have single digit ft/lbs of recoil energy, and then if you stuff it into a rifle system that can also easily fit the ultimate amount of people you're really getting somewhere. Very 21st century. ;)

Of course you'll tick off other check boxes that would equal ultimate such as sub-moa, all factory off the shelf including ammo, and do a decent scope and elevation comp. Well heck...if you made a check list page of all the possible requirements one would come up with for the ultimate deer rifle/cartridge...the one I posted a pic of would hit more of them than any other. The rifle has all the 21st century answers checked off. The cartridge and bullet does too. And for the first time in maybe history you can get it all off the shelf, rendering custom and reloading optional. Don't be a dinosaur man, it's ok to say the ultimate for me is such and such on this day...that's great but if we're talking about the ultimate period...I got'r'dun. There it is again. Now we all know the answer. :)
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This rig does bush, blinds, prone long, fits everyone, everyone shoots it well, and smashes deer to further than most can hit em, can't wear a barrel out, watch it happen in the scope, affordable to shoot, it just goes on and on. ;)
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I think you make a pretty good argument. A universal fitting rifle, low recoil, efficient ballistics and capable of killing deer at 400+ yards. It's a good, versatile rifle.
 
iron cat said:
It may be the "ultimate " in some people's minds but not in others .
Cat
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So far, he has made the best argument on this year old thread.

Blakeyboy is one of the only ones on this thread to be able to articulate a definition of "ultimate deer rifle" and make a decent argument on why he thought his choice fit the bill. Everyone else just posted their favorite deer rifle or told other people their choice was wrong.
 
Get yourself a winchester model 70 featherweight in plain old 270 winchester. Add a light weight scope of your choice in Talley one piece rings. Shoot a 130 accubond at 3100 fps or a 110 gr barnes at 3400 fps. It's real nice.
 
Gatehouse said:
So far, he has made the best argument on this year old thread.

Blakeyboy is one of the only ones on this thread to be able to articulate a definition of "ultimate deer rifle" and make a decent argument on why he thought his choice fit the bill. Everyone else just posted their favorite deer rifle or told other people their choice was wrong.
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Exactly, it' HIS idea of the ultimate and not mine .
I don't like detachable mags, or bolt actions.
I prefer single shot falling blocks for my hunting rifles which make for a compact rifle even with a longer barrel- which
swings and points just fine .
I don't need a short cartridge and I don't worry about trajectory or velocity because it has enough to gets things done without undo recoil.
I am not in the habit of loaning my rifle but and if I do, the person using it knows the limitations of it.
If it doesn't fit him he can deal with it.
My rifle was built to my specs with a reasonably recoiling cartridge that is accurate out to around 350 Meters or so which is fine .
If I have to range an animal I know exactly where to hold with the 1.5-5x scope.
I can also take the scope off in seconds if I want or need to use the irons on it.
The cartridge is more than enough and has killed everything from beavers coyotes to moose .
That is justification enough for me .
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Lot of 20th century options here, but we’re more than a fifth deep into the 21st. If this were an exam, I’d be a+ in a sea of c’s.

But at least we’re getting some better answers as to why it’s the ultimate deer rifle. Like now we have a perfectly good ultimate deer rifle choice for a grumpy retired guy with limited to no sense of humour who may not play well with others.:p;)
 
iron cat said:
Exactly, it' HIS idea of the ultimate and not mine .
I don't like detachable mags, or bolt actions.
I prefer single shot falling blocks for my hunting rifles which make for a compact rifle even with a lo ger barrel- which swi gs and points just fine .
I don't need a short cartridge and I don't worry about trajectory or velocity because it has enough to gets things done without undo recoil.
I not in the habit of loaning my rifle put and if I do, the person using it knows the limitations of it.
If it doesn't fit him he can deal with ot.
My rifle was built to my specs with a reasonably recoiling cartridge that is accurate out to around 350 Meters or so which is fine .
If I have to range an animal I know exactly tly whete to hold with the 1.5-5x scope.
I can also take the scope off in seconds if I want or need to use the irons on it.
The cartridge is more than enough and has killed everything from beavers coyotes to moose .
That is justification enough for me .
Cat
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This is also just a description of your personal favourite deer rifle. I also have had favourite deer rifles but can recognize they wouldn’t be considered “ultimate deer rifles” as they probably weren’t very universal for other peoples needs.
 
Gatehouse said:
This is also just a description of your personal favourite deer rifle. I also have had favourite deer rifles but can recognize they wouldn’t be considered “ultimate deer rifles” as they probably weren’t very universal for other peoples needs.
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Which answers the very question itself- there is no ultimate deer rifle or hunting rifle for that matter.
It is a personal choice of the points one looks for in a rifle and I made mine many, many years ago.
Cat
 
blakeyboy said:
Lot of 20th century options here, but we’re more than a fifth deep into the 21st. If this were an exam, I’d be a+ in a sea of c’s.

But at least we’re getting some better answers as to why it’s the ultimate deer rifle. Like now we have a perfectly good ultimate deer rifle choice for a grumpy retired guy with limited to no sense of humour who may not play well with others.:p;)
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And we also have your choice for someone who thinks they know better than anyone else about how and what they should use to hunt and never misses a chance to tell them

Cat
 
The ultimate deer rifle is ultimately any legal calibre and platform you have access to and choose to take hunting. Hunting deer isn’t about rifle it’s about the hunt. The rifle is just the tool used to accomplish the task. The best part is we have some great rifles to choose as our ultimate rifle. Some may argue that their ultimate rifle was their grandfathers ultimate rifle just because it was Grandpa’s. See my point you as the hunter gets the chance to decide what is the Ultimate for you.
 
blakeyboy said:
Lot of 20th century options here, but we’re more than a fifth deep into the 21st. If this were an exam, I’d be a+ in a sea of c’s.

But at least we’re getting some better answers as to why it’s the ultimate deer rifle. Like now we have a perfectly good ultimate deer rifle choice for a grumpy retired guy with limited to no sense of humour who may not play well with others.:p;)
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And we have the "Ultimate" deer rifle as defined by a guy raised by World of Warcraft in his mom's dank shag rug basement... who also does not play well with others... because he rarely sees others, but who has leveled up and now believes he rules the world.
 
hoytcanon said:
And we have the "Ultimate" deer rifle as defined by a guy raised by World of Warcraft in his mom's dank shag rug basement... who also does not play well with others... because he rarely sees others, but who has leveled up and now believes he rules the world.
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<LOL> ..... Please see the "I miss the old days on CGN" thread. :cool:
 
The question begs, has blakeyboy ever tried a Rem 760 pump in 300 Savage c/w sling and Bushnell Scopechief 1.4 -4X? For myself, I dont concern myself with matters "ultimate", as I have more than one deer rifle, all with varying attributes that I appreciate. Heck, one of my favorites is a short barreled Ross sporter in 303.
Oh wait - looks like the straight-pull rifle is gonna make some waves in the 21'st century "latest and greatest" market. Perhaps they'll market them in 6.5 Grendel.:rolleyes:
 
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