ultimate deer rifle???

As stated above, the ultimate rifle will depend on the person, where and how they hunt, and their personal hunting style.
As also stated above, it may be ultimate for them, while you may have a different opinion of what is ultimate to you.
Thankfully, we have the ability to choose what is ultimate to us, as individuals.
Whether it be the close range brush rifle, the open beanfield rifle, or a rifle that handles many deer types in varied terrain; use what is best for you and enjoy it!

Personally, I have rifles that suit all 3 deer hunting types and am happy to be able to accommodate those specific needs! LOL
 
BlackRam said:
As stated above, the ultimate rifle will depend on the person, where and how they hunt, and their personal hunting style.
As also stated above, it may be ultimate for them, while you may have a different opinion of what is ultimate to you.
Thankfully, we have the ability to choose what is ultimate to us, as individuals.
Whether it be the close range brush rifle, the open beanfield rifle, or a rifle that handles many deer types in varied terrain; use what is best for you and enjoy it!

Personally, I have rifles that suit all 3 deer hunting types and am happy to be able to accommodate those specific needs! LOL
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Lame

you have a different colour pair of underwear for every day of the week? what if turdeau has to take two of them?...which one you let go last? play along fer crying out loud and if you can't show us your ultimate deer rifle...describe it ;)
 
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ultimate cheek weld?
 
blakeyboy said:
au contraire mon frère

there is, and here it is...

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it actually fits everyone, 15 big game in 5 seasons (well 14 big game and a wolf which I'm counting), a Dad and 2 kids, 6 kills by the kids, 9 by the Dad, 10 yards to 420 yards, all three of us have dial ups on deer 300/355/420, deer kills have been 70-420 yards, we've got a few black bears 10-55 yards, 6.5 ft/lbs recoil energy means it still 'fits all' in terms of shootability, 6.5 Grendel, Hornady 123gr Eld-m factory ammo

3' feet of ultimate one size fits all deer rifle right there, you can keep your pack on and shorten the lop with the press of a button for still hunting, or sit down and wait leaving pack on as a back rest, 21st century options only will work for this discussion imo, if your rig can't fit everyone(recoil included) then it's not the ultimate...just might be the ultimate 'for you, or some of the people' ;)

another thing that makes this 'ultimate'...everything off the shelf, including the ammo, sub-moa, zero fat, 1700 fps comes at 500 yards, a deer dropped at 420 was 1800 fps impact, watch it all in the scope, oh and illuminated reticle for low light and bush, plus intuitive for anyone to place at crunch time, ultimate ultimate ultimate
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But... But... But adjustABLE stocks are eViL and only for aSsAuLt RiFlEs designed to kill the most people at ONE Time!

Seriously tho. Nice Rifle. I love those little Rugers. Great guns.
 
blakeyboy said:
Lame

you have a different colour pair of underwear for every day of the week? what if turdeau has to take two of them?...which one you let go last? play along fer crying out loud and if you can't show us your ultimate deer rifle...describe it ;)
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Exactly, this is why my deer rifle is capable of double duty on deer, moose and elk. One rifle for all.
 
MiG25 said:
I didn't know the definition of Ultimate was One Size Fits All.
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see?! isn't life wonderful?, we get to learn all the way to the end ;)

aren't you glad you know now? you're welcome

not only fit the family but also fit you, weather, extra/less clothes, pack on or off, and types of deer hunting from still (with pack on or off) to blinds, tree stands, prone across the valley, bush, trucks, pushes, crop overwatch, etc. etc. it's a nice feature to size that thing to whatever it is you're doing at the press of a button, I didn't realize just how handy that was until I had it...and now you know too, the future is in versatility, we have the technology and knowledge no on how to build more capable and versatile tools, the older stuff still works for plenty of it, but...you can add plenty of versatility now, and there's some examples for ya, don't be shy of progress, we're a fifth of the way into the 21st century so bringing up 'ultimate deer rifle' now is going to be a little different than even 20 years ago, lots has happened in the past 20 years, it's hard to keep up now ;)

in all fairness...a great many who say no to what I'm saying haven't given what I'm shooting a fair trial but I've done lots with the traditional and now lots with the modern...won't be going back even though I could real easy, so take that for what it's worth folks, you'll have better legs to stand on once you've actually fielded both, I started with coyote calling as that's a good indicator if gear will work for big game, calling and killing coyotes is one of my main provers of new gear/methods before I get serious moving it to the big game arena, my tools may not require any soul, it's things I pursue being dead that is primary driver, appreciate and have used lots of soul gear but end of day the goals trump the emotion
 
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pete dobinson said:
Exactly, this is why my deer rifle is capable of double duty on deer, moose and elk. One rifle for all.
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what colour is it today? lol

well our ultimate deer rifle has between 3 family members in 5 seasons; moose, bighorn sheep, mule deer, (8) whitetails, (3) black bears and a wolf...plus number of coyotes of course, will add antelope and elk next season I think ;)
 
MiG25 said:
I didn't know the definition of Ultimate was One Size Fits All.
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Jack of all trades..Master of none? I recall that saying...but rarely do they include the 'master of none' following it.
Funny, these threads usually end up about this way... remember the Stalking Rifle one? It was nice seeing all the European carbines and rifles in Classic trim... then the Plastic boys find it and help us poor old farts 'get on Board' by showing us our errors in going with Wood and Blued steel... I can't help it ...plastic in the woods just seems weird.
But I'm digressing. Better let someone who is still sh*tting yellow tell me to 'get on board Pops' all the cool kids are doing it.
Merry Christmas...hope Santa is good to ya
 
pete dobinson said:
Your choice, glad it's working out for you. For me the 6.5 Grendel is minimal for elk and moose, I wouldn't feel confident with it. to each their own.
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oh definitely that's our no fat approach and we generally only chase meat tags occasionally when it comes to elk/moose, dedicated trophy hunters and dedicated moose/elk guys should at least step up to the creedmoor lol, but this is a deer thread so we nailed it, deer don't take this Grendel well at all, nothing else has either...if you look at it this way on the moose/elk which we would likely limit to 300 yards (about 2000 fps impact) and they have much larger kill zones...nothing we chase can take .25 sd bullets in the ribs at 2000 fps and a cartridge like this makes it about as easy to be accurate with as it gets for most shooters, reality is most critters we chase won't take that bullet in the ribs at 1800 fps, the fat doe I shot quartering at 420 yards was 1800 fps impact and bullet exited after 15" travel and everything top of heart destroyed and she dropped at the spot....an elk or a moose won't take that broadside at 420 either and not be found inside 100 yards, the best part is at that distance they don't hear anything from the Grendel and although hit in vitals they don't seem to fly out of the country like all the stuff I shot at distance with .270's and up, so recoveries are short, follow ups are easy, etc., less is more, until you play with this stuff and apply in the field what on paper you understand to be true...you don't realize the intangible differences/benefits that come along till you do it for a bit

after 5 seasons, and all that we've killed and seen after knife comes out, if considered a trial...I would know by now if it's time to step up and move on....or carry on, we will be carrying on with the knowledge that if something goes wrong...it's 100% shooter error, 0% cartridge/bullet error ;)
 
blakeyboy said:
see?! isn't life wonderful?, we get to learn all the way to the end ;)

aren't you glad you know now? you're welcome

not only fit the family but also fit you, weather, extra/less clothes, pack on or off, and types of deer hunting from still (with pack on or off) to blinds, tree stands, prone across the valley, bush, trucks, pushes, crop overwatch, etc. etc. it's a nice feature to size that thing to whatever it is you're doing at the press of a button, I didn't realize just how handy that was until I had it...and now you know too, the future is in versatility, we have the technology and knowledge no on how to build more capable and versatile tools, the older stuff still works for plenty of it, but...you can add plenty of versatility now, and there's some examples for ya, don't be shy of progress, we're a fifth of the way into the 21st century so bringing up 'ultimate deer rifle' now is going to be a little different than even 20 years ago, lots has happened in the past 20 years, it's hard to keep up now ;)

in all fairness...a great many who say no to what I'm saying haven't given what I'm shooting a fair trial but I've done lots with the traditional and now lots with the modern...won't be going back even though I could real easy, so take that for what it's worth folks, you'll have better legs to stand on once you've actually fielded both, I started with coyote calling as that's a good indicator if gear will work for big game, calling and killing coyotes is one of my main provers of new gear/methods before I get serious moving it to the big game arena, my tools may not require any soul, it's things I pursue being dead that is primary driver, appreciate and have used lots of soul gear but end of day the goals trump the emotion
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How does it fit in a saddle scabbard?
 
tokguy said:
Jack of all trades..Master of none? I recall that saying...but rarely do they include the 'master of none' following it.
Funny, these threads usually end up about this way... remember the Stalking Rifle one? It was nice seeing all the European carbines and rifles in Classic trim... then the Plastic boys find it and help us poor old farts 'get on Board' by showing us our errors in going with Wood and Blued steel... I can't help it ...plastic in the woods just seems weird.
But I'm digressing. Better let someone who is still sh*tting yellow tell me to 'get on board Pops' all the cool kids are doing it.
Merry Christmas...hope Santa is good to ya
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lol, funny, before getting to the ultimate deer rifle I hunted about the same amount of years with a blaser k95 single .270 that was a soulful tack driving work of art, before that a lot done with tikka .270 and sako 270 wsm, before that a rem 700 bdl 30-06 with iron sights only, but keep making those assumptions there pops ;)
 
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MiG25 said:
How does it fit in a saddle scabbard?
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no scabbard required, butt stock spins off, entire thing now just over 26" and stuffs in a pack, but most guys scabbard custom to their rifles with their initials etc. for their favourite rig anyway...why would that be different here?, I've seen some new scabbards being made for the horse guys etc. to haul the chassis/prs style rigs out of different materials etc., there are lots of mountain hunters packing chassis rigs into the high country via horses, maybe not too many modern set ups in our neck of the woods but plenty just south of the border, they tend to be way more into guns than us though
 
pete dobinson said:
So it doesn't go bang and it kills better than a 270................ Sounds like MAGIC :)
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I get the joke bro, sounds too good to be true right? I had no idea, but this phenomenon will show itself to you and it will surprise you. My youngest missed a coyote at 80 and the damn thing gave him a second shot at 120, wind coming at us and away right, coyote left of us up wind. I would never have believed it until I saw it. Then watching reactions on my oldest missing a doe at 120, then watching reactions when we all sniped deer across the valley at 300/355/420, the reactions on my moose. Watched reactions of other deer around deer we have shot, watched reactions of deer we have shot, trot away confused even fatally hit instead of bolt etc. It's a 52,000 psi cartridge, it doesn't have that same high pressure crack, and it appears more like a shotgun, as in coyote calling, guys shoot the high pressure centerfire and other coyotes coming in after the first are leaving the country but they kill it close with the 12 gauge and the other coyotes that were coming in keep coming in. It's that effect. Don't believe me...I had no clue, but I'm telling you now, it's in a different league here and noticeable enough to all the other stuff I've done that it's actually a thing. And for us not allowed to have suppressors...about as good as you could get with something big game legal and deadly to 400 yards. The game isn't hearing it as much, the other people in the area aren't hearing it as much, if the wind is in your favour it seems like they don't hear much at all, it's pretty cool. Pop a whitetail across the valley at 300 and the others hang around, doubling up isn't an issue. Sending more lead isn't an issue. Give it shot and then come back and tell me I'm wrong, until then, my experience is all you got.

as far as being a 270 equivalent well I have that as a 600 yard cartridge and the 6.5 Creedmoor is the equivalent there, 2000 fps impact at 600 for both running 140's but one does it with 11/12 ft/lbs recoil energy the other does it with 16/17 ft/lbs in in 8.5 lb rifles, 21st century vs 20th century ballistics/efficiency

but I don't need do go 600, I shot .270 most of my hunting, happy to stick to inside 450 and there is amazing terminal performance from .25 sd rapid controlled expansion bullets at mild/moderate velocities on big game in that range, Inside 450 I can't tell the difference between all the stuff I shot with .270, I tended to use tougher bullets in the .270 and actually I think my recovery distances might be longer with the .270, with 14 head of big game and a wolf we are now at 163 yard average shot distance and 13 yard average recovery distance, 10-420 yards...a .270 would have done us no better and the kids likely would have shot it worse and landed us a few rodeos
 
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A properly loaded 270 is closer to the 6.5 PRC not the 6.5 CM. I get it, if you and your family are recoil shy the 6.5 grendel is a good choice and going by your information it's working well. That doesn't mean it's the ultimate deer cartridge. The 270 doesn't recoil much and you can download it with light bullets such as 110 gr and make the recoil even lighter. If you can't dispatch a deer quickly with a 270 then it falls on your skills not the cartridge. jmo
 
This short 28" OAL 14" barreled T/C Contender carbine in the wildcat 338JDJ #2 (parent cases are 444 Marlin brass) is my ultimate out to 300 yards deer - moose - elk - bear combo I load 180gr Accubonds @ 2500fps it is crazy accurate.

 
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