Unconventional PCCs: Ruger 44, Remington 14.5, Savage 23

JaredP said:
Do you have 1907 and 1910 in those calibres? Those are pretty cool. I had a 1907 once, but let it go, deciding to keep just my 1910 as my representative Winchester SL. It's a fun gun, i'm using converted 414 super mag brass and double-powdercoated 40 S&W bullets, so it's basically a PCC!
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yes ,I do have these creatures and they look just like a WSL rifle till it comes to what they shoot ..
Heck the whole batch of WSL would almost be conventional PCC as they all are blowback SA
also have the 1910 in 401 and used either 7.62x39 brass or the 414 SM and just size 41 mag projectiles
 
flashman2 said:
Is that unique to the Rugers? One has been on "the list" forever, but I almost exclusively shoot cast in pistol cartridges. I've had zero gas port issues shooting literal hundreds of pounds of lead out of a .30 Carbine. If for some reason the 44 doesn't eat cast that would definitely be a deal breaker.
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I do not know, but in my personal experience, lead projectiles blocked the gas port within about 15 rounds. I found it to be a real pain in the neck to get that port cleaned. I gave the last 5 lead away. I also found as previously mentioned that my Ruger will not properly cycle with 180 gr bullets. I suppose it could be because of the low round count ...... less than 100 rounds down the pipe total.
 
Odinson said:
I do not know, but in my personal experience, lead projectiles blocked the gas port within about 15 rounds. I found it to be a real pain in the neck to get that port cleaned. I gave the last 5 lead away. I also found as previously mentioned that my Ruger will not properly cycle with 180 gr bullets. I suppose it could be because of the low round count ...... less than 100 rounds down the pipe total.
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You need a really hot load to cycle the guns from my experience.

I am using 240gr Cam-pro plated bullets. A hefty load of H110 with a heavy crimp wouldn't cycle the gun fully, a bit too slow of a powder anyways, quite smokey.

I came across some HS-7 and decided to run 16gr of it with the cam-pro, that cycled flawlessly and was perfectly clean burning. I'm going to work up a load with some HS-6 I picked up for cheap. If it ends up being too fast, Blue Dot should be the perfect option.

boxhitch said:
Are PCC's limited to self loaders?
There is a lineup of lever rifles in pc's
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I wouldn't say so! All of the lever guns in pistol cartridges I would say are PCCs, the original PCCs!

pmatuk said:
yes ,I do have these creatures and they look just like a WSL rifle till it comes to what they shoot ..
Heck the whole batch of WSL would almost be conventional PCC as they all are blowback SA
also have the 1910 in 401 and used either 7.62x39 brass or the 414 SM and just size 41 mag projectiles
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Very cool. And I agree, the 1905 WSL is quite similar to 357 mag ballistically. The 1907 and 1910 move into more of a conventional rifle carbine. Quite interesting to note the 401 WSL has more power than 35 Rem!
 
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I recently found a bunch of .32-20 ammunition in an old box. I had read about it plenty of times throughout the years but it was my first time handling some cartridges. What a neat little round... It's so ugly and I like it. Your 23 sounds like a heck of a fun and likely useful gun.
 
B said:
I recently found a bunch of .32-20 ammunition in an old box. I had read about it plenty of times throughout the years but it was my first time handling some cartridges. What a neat little round... It's so ugly and I like it. Your 23 sounds like a heck of a fun and likely useful gun.
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Love that little round along with the 25-20!!! Now you need to find a nice old Remington Model 25 Pump action (from the whole family of Remington slide actions from the model 14/141/14.5, 12/121, 25's) to shoot those out of!! I've got a few of the 25's and they are amazing little varmint guns!!!

I have 2 of the Rugers as well and they are great Eastern Ontario bush guns for White Tailed Deer. One of them has the lyman sight factory fitted into the receiver and the other has an original rear fold down peep sight fitted on the rear of the receiver's two screw holes. Such an amazing rifle to carry in the bush. Seems so strange at how light and compact it is and how it seems like you are carrying a 10/22 for deer hunting until you see the end of the barrel and hear it bark! Love them!
 
I know the 7.62x39 is anything but a pistol cartridge but I have been using lead bullets in my SKS's now for a few years with excellent results. The downside is the brass gets beat up pretty bad on the rim over time. Loaded down the gun becomes a single shot but I have a couple of loads that shoot POA with factory. Too, the gun, if it were allowed could play in IDPA PCC Division loaded just above the power needed to cycle the action.

The SKS is a handy truck gun that need not be babied. My present gun is to good to just toss and run but I beater would do the trick. Too many of the PCC carbines are spendy enough to need more TLC . The first scratch on the stock is tuff to take.

Like a few others if the gun won;t shoot lead then it doesn't make it's way into my gun safe.

Take Care

Bob
 
Smitsauce said:
Love that little round along with the 25-20!!! Now you need to find a nice old Remington Model 25 Pump action (from the whole family of Remington slide actions from the model 14/141/14.5, 12/121, 25's) to shoot those out of!! I've got a few of the 25's and they are amazing little varmint guns!!!

I have 2 of the Rugers as well and they are great Eastern Ontario bush guns for White Tailed Deer. One of them has the lyman sight factory fitted into the receiver and the other has an original rear fold down peep sight fitted on the rear of the receiver's two screw holes. Such an amazing rifle to carry in the bush. Seems so strange at how light and compact it is and how it seems like you are carrying a 10/22 for deer hunting until you see the end of the barrel and hear it bark! Love them!
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They really are similar! Here is my 44 alongside a 10/22. Credit to my buddy for the photo: https://www.instagram.com/the_austin_doell/

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Canuck44 said:
I know the 7.62x39 is anything but a pistol cartridge but I have been using lead bullets in my SKS's now for a few years with excellent results. The downside is the brass gets beat up pretty bad on the rim over time. Loaded down the gun becomes a single shot but I have a couple of loads that shoot POA with factory. Too, the gun, if it were allowed could play in IDPA PCC Division loaded just above the power needed to cycle the action.

The SKS is a handy truck gun that need not be babied. My present gun is to good to just toss and run but I beater would do the trick. Too many of the PCC carbines are spendy enough to need more TLC . The first scratch on the stock is tuff to take.

Like a few others if the gun won;t shoot lead then it doesn't make it's way into my gun safe.

Take Care

Bob
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I do the same thing with 35 Remington and plated 158gr Cam-Pro bullets intended for 357 magnum. It's very economical, and you can sling these plated bullets wicked fast. They cycle my Model 8, but I also use them in my 336 and Stevens High-Power.
 
JaredP said:
You need a really hot load to cycle the guns from my experience.

I am using 240gr Cam-pro plated bullets. A hefty load of H110 with a heavy crimp wouldn't cycle the gun fully, a bit too slow of a powder anyways, quite smokey.

I came across some HS-7 and decided to run 16gr of it with the cam-pro, that cycled flawlessly and was perfectly clean burning. I'm going to work up a load with some HS-6 I picked up for cheap. If it ends up being too fast, Blue Dot should be the perfect option.



I wouldn't say so! All of the lever guns in pistol cartridges I would say are PCCs, the original PCCs!



Very cool. And I agree, the 1905 WSL is quite similar to 357 mag ballistically. The 1907 and 1910 move into more of a conventional rifle carbine. Quite interesting to note the 401 WSL has more power than 35 Rem!
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I read somewhere that the Ruger was designed around thec240 gr cartridge. Don't know if that is true or not but it makes sense. My Ruger works fine with american eagle 240 grain cartridges. Like I mentioned previously, the 180 gr won't cycle the gun properly.
 
tiriaq said:
The Rugers have almost a cult following. You don't see them for sale very often, and the asking price usually gives one pause. Hard to find a handier rifle for Eastern deer or bear hunting.
Those slide action Remingtons are beautifully made, with very smooth actions. But when I take one apart, I imagine that they must have been a nightmare to manufacture. Intricately machined steel parts.
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Absolutely! If those Rugers were cheaper I'd totally have one sitting in my locker.

bunny said:
I think if Ruger started making them again, they would sell a pile of them, especially if they kept strictly to the original design ( no detachable mag.)
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I dont know about that. If they are as intricate as tiriaq says they would probably cost a whole lot of money to produce these days, and considering a Ruger Hawkeye is $1100 USD MSRP, I'd expect these to run close to $2000CAD if made new these days... And while they're super cool, I just can't imagine there being a particularly big market for them especially when down south you can have a 45 or 50cal AR15 for much much less.
 
Those Ruger 44'd are nice,,i bought and sold 3 of them the last 2 years,they're cool,but the money they bring is even better,
my Marlin Camp 9 carbines are my favorite.
 
old303 said:
The Camp Carbine is restricted on barrel length, though. There'd be a bit more point to owning one if it were NR. But something that took 1911 magazines might facilitate using it in 3-gun / multigun with a 1911, whether .45 ACP or 9mm, and then you're carting a restricted to the range anyway.
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I have 2 of those Camp 9 Carbines,i is non restricted done back when you could that,still have the NR RCMP paperwork,the other in in the box one,and is restricted,it's going for sale soon i think,also have a spanish Destroyer carbine in 9mm Largo.and of course a Ruger PC, pistol call rifles are great.
 
PC the lead and it shouldn’t be a problem. All major ammo manufacturers now make some form of powder coated lead. They call them different names but they are all the same thing.
 
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