Under barrel shotguns

unusedusername said:
so then a wood stock is also not permanently attatched by that reason

Id say the ar would be considered the stock

i would argue the gun is unusable without the ar attached
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I would agree, its attached to the stock of the ar, no different than it being attached to the synth stock. I could take the stock off of my 12 GA, its not perm attached, and still fire it.
 
unusedusername said:
so then a wood stock is also not permanently attatched by that reason

Id say the ar would be considered the stock

i would argue the gun is unusable without the ar attached
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I would agree. And who's to say im not using my 870 with a 20" barrel keeping within 26" OAL? IM sure it would look funny, but whatever the case, if the only reason it is prohibited is because the OAL is insufficient im sure you could still own the masterkey assembly. Or does somebody actually know of a law prohibiting this?

Also, some clever engineering could make the assembly and disassembly of the masterkey more involved. Thus making it "permanent", or as permanent as the regular stock.
 
(b) a firearm that is adapted from a rifle or shotgun, whether by sawing, cutting or any other alteration, and that, as so adapted,
(i) is less than 660 mm in length, or

Well, the shotgun is not being adapted at all. Buy it new with no stock or grip, and an 8"barrel, and have it registered as restricted no? And 26" overall length applies to keep it non-restricted as a newly manufactured. Surely those AR pistols that we have which are only restricted are less than 26" no? And how about those shotguns with a new 8" barrel attached with a pistol grip, restricted no?
 
Yeah if the shotgun is restricted class, as long as its not cut down or modified it wont be prohibited.

Most of the experience people have is with non-restricted guns with under 18" barrels. You CAN have restricted class shotguns, as long as you're not cutting it down at all.

I think a Picatinny rail adapter for an 870 would be a little more widely usable.
 
My prohib reference was in comment to redddogg69 example of the shotgun being used without a buttstock while not mounted to an AR. Particularly a 14" barreled one. It would have an OAL of < 26".


Prestwich said:
... And how about those shotguns with a new 8" barrel attached with a pistol grip, restricted no?
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RCMP techs did not approve Dlask's short barreled 870 with pistol grip only for sale as non-restricted firearms. That's why Dlask included the full buttstock with the package. I think that's still up in the air until someone challenges it in court.
 
F22_RaptoR said:
Yeah if the shotgun is restricted class, as long as its not cut down or modified it wont be prohibited.

Most of the experience people have is with non-restricted guns with under 18" barrels. You CAN have restricted class shotguns, as long as you're not cutting it down at all.

I think a Picatinny rail adapter for an 870 would be a little more widely usable.
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well blow me down..

i was thinking about this exact topic literally 5 minutes before i signed on to CGN ..

the pic-rail attachment method made the most sense in my mind, you would just need to make sure its sturdily attached, as is the rail to the host firearm.

i kind of wanted to mount one under my m14 :) just so that when i get out shooting, the first fudd i come across gets plunged into a world of confusion and frustration
 
easy said:
My prohib reference was in comment to redddogg69 example of the shotgun being used without a buttstock while not mounted to an AR. Particularly a 14" barreled one. It would have an OAL of < 26".




RCMP techs did not approve Dlask's short barreled 870 with pistol grip only for sale as non-restricted firearms. That's why Dlask included the full buttstock with the package. I think that's still up in the air until someone challenges it in court.
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Right, that's why I think I said it would be restricted. But a newly manufactured gun without a grip with short barrel could be registered as restricted because of length and mounted to the restricted AR-15. The problem would come in trying to figure out how to mount one without a grip and be over 26" so it would be non-restricted to a non-restricted rifle without looking totally stupid, but I am sure it could be done.
 
unusedusername said:
so then a wood stock is also not permanently attatched by that reason

Id say the ar would be considered the stock

i would argue the gun is unusable without the ar attached
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Prestwich said:
Right, that's why I think I said it would be restricted. But a newly manufactured gun without a grip with short barrel could be registered as restricted because of length and mounted to the restricted AR-15. The problem would come in trying to figure out how to mount one without a grip and be over 26" so it would be non-restricted to a non-restricted rifle without looking totally stupid, but I am sure it could be done.
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tip of shotgun barrel to end of ar15 stock... should be easy to come up with 26. Swap ar for a robinson arms for your non res or ar18b
 
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Guys......only if you modify the barrel length yourself it becomes Prohib. You can buy a short barrelled shotgun from Dlask (10",12",14",etc) that are either non restricted with a full stock attached or become restricted with a pistiol grip less full stock.....Check out Blueline to see for yourselves. If you mount a picatinny rail on top of the receiver (Mossberg 500/590 or Rem 870) you can buy interface adapter rails for AR15 platforms.the shotgun then attaches to the AR`s rail interface via it`s receiver mounted rail and in some cases, a barrell clamp. Yes KAC does make these but they are very pricey and difficult to find. Here is one for sale that I found:

http://www.autoweapons.com/products/othergoodstuff.html

click on the photo to enlarge it.
 
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