Unidentified Rifle

[Fparadox]

Hey guys, so obviously im new here but i recently acquired a gun that im assuming is milsurp. the only thing that i know about it is that it is cambered in 7mm mauser. just looking for a little help in trying to find out more information

apparently i cant post pictures yet but heres some information

total length: 37inch

wood stock right to end of gun.

door bolt style bolt.

flip up ladder rear sights

has sling rings on the side NOT bottem but has a some sort of ring attached to hand grip on bottem.

all the information on side of gun was filed off for easier loading. (like a thumb groove). exept for the numbers: 8220

takes 5 round stripper clips.

Honestly looking for any information. THANKS

 

[Potashminer]

You are describing some sort of carbine. The "filing off" business says significantly modified - so, so could the barrel length or the stock have been cut or modified. Really, without a picture, is a bit like asking to ID a car that has four wheels and a steering wheel.

 

[Fparadox]

yeah thats kind of what i was afraid of. is there some way to be able to get pictures out there with out alot of hassel ?

 

[Potashminer]

A PM just sent to you with a possible solution...

 

[Fparadox]

thank you. just sent it

 

[catnip]

What you are describing sounds a lot like a Spanish Mauser cavalry carbine. They were issued in 7x57,have a barrel about 17.5 inches, full wood stock and a turned down bolt handle.A model 95 I believe. Just let me get my book and my glasses . OK .... cavalry carbine is mod. 95 , and infantry rifle is mod.93.

 

[SigWig]

Did it fall out of an unidentified flying saucer?

 

[maple_leaf_eh]

Did it fall out of an unidentified flying saucer?

Nope. Probably dropped by the alien in the red shirt on the away team.

 

[Potashminer]

Pictures from OP - he describes the bolt as having a rounded front bottom (not squared off) and a rib in the middle of the left receiver bolt race way. 5 pictures from OP below. He says no numbers or stampings anywhere, except as shown on top of bolt root in last picture.

 

[Fparadox]

yes that looks like it exactly. thank you all very much.
any idea what its worth ?

 

[Kegcaissy]

Swedish 94?

 

[Kegcaissy]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_Mauser

Scroll down, it's the 1894 carbine.

 

[Potashminer]

What is it worth? What someone would pay you for it - very much depends on what that potential buyer knows and what he/she is looking for. Some here will have several hundred dollars of reference material and will struggle to ID that piece, with no markings on it - so far is not an "exact" match to any that I have looked at. As if it had been "scrubbed". As if it had been "re-blued" - as if something has been done to the stock. Removing markings is a good way to substitute parts from one version to another - many were interchangeable, except for the markings. You have made no mention of the bore condition or whether you are able to assess that. There might be buyers who would want that, and some that do not. No "price list" - is what you can negotiate. Shooter to collectible mausers sell from $100 to $2,500, so somewhere in between, I suspect?

For example, that front sight protector looks very much like found on a Swede Mauser 94 carbine, but the receiver is most definitely not a Swedish receiver. I do not think any Swede 94 carbines had that sling loop behind the trigger guard, and their side sling came right through the butt stock and was fastened by a buckle on the right side - that stock is not a Swede 94 at the rear, but might be altered to be one at the front? Many of those parts can be made to fit the other.

 

[Fparadox]

no it is the spanish model 95 not the Swedish

 

[Fparadox]

the bore is pretty decent and all the numbers match except for the rear sights and the stock (not sure if they print it on that anyways)

thanks

 

[Potashminer]

So, from "Mauser Military Rifles of the World" - Fifth edition - p. 351 about the 1895 Spanish Carbine - "Spanish crest on the receiver ring, with manufacturer markings stamped on the left side rail". Pictures of left side of three of them - no thumb cutout along that left rail - all made by Ludw. Loewe (predecessor of DWM) and stamped as such along the left receiver side rail. That book could be wrong, but you will have to find reference to show otherwise??

 

[Dosing]

no it is the spanish model 95 not the Swedish

Ditto. Depending on condition 350-750. Oddly not as desirable as a lot of other carbines.

 

[Brutus]

Makes one wonder if these mystery mausers were some kind of cold war foster child?

I once owned an 8x57 mauser carbine I purchased from Riflechair. Seemingly its own original issue stock.
But at some point was reblued and stock refinished.
It also had only a serial two digit serial number.
Nothing else to identify it.

 

[Potashminer]

There might truly be "mystery mausers" from Cold War era , but I suspect for most, the "technical" term is "humped" - made up in someone's basement or garage... I have, and have done, several - am very sure not another like them, anywhere, at any time... I suppose they could also be called "custom".

Mostly to see if I could, I shortened the barrel tenon on a Paraguay small ring mauser barrel - it is chambered in 7.65 Mauser, and fitted and headspaced to a Modelo M95 Chilean receiver. Will pretty much confound any future "expert". Currently attempting to build a Swede 94/96, except with the m94/14 bayonet lug - again - can find no reference such a thing ever existed, except in my imagination - using up parts that are on hand...

 

[Dosing]

Makes one wonder if these mystery mausers were some kind of cold war foster child?

No real mystery on these. The Spanish rebuilt and modified various rifles over the years, produced some real mongrels including thr fr7/8 by adapting old guns.