Unraveling the M14 mysteries - Chinese barrel

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Last month during a conversation with Ron Smith, Smith Enterprise, Inc., he told me that he was going to have a TRW M14 bolt and the rear half of a demilled H&R M14 receiver tested for surface and core hardness and case depth. Of course, I was very intrigued to hear about this. I mentioned that it would also be interesting if a Chinese M14 barrel could be tested. Without hesitating, he said he would have one tested along with the aformentioned parts.

True to his word, I received a copy of the metals testing lab report on the Chinese M14 barrel this week. The big surprise is that the barrel is made from equivalent AISI 1050 carbon steel. Elemental composition of the steel was as follows: 0.51 % carbon, 0.008 % sulfur, 0.014 % phosphorous, 0.029 % silicon, 0.05 % copper, 0.03 % aluminum, 0.02 % nickel, 0.02 % chromium, 0.75 % manganese and the remainder was iron.

The finish was verified as zinc phosphate coating and the chromium plating thickness measured 0.001 ", as one would expect. The average chromium plating hardness measured 851 on the Vickers 100 scale. The plating hardness meets American standards for hard chroming.

The surface hardness of the Chinese barrel was measured using the Knoop scale. Measurements were also taken at various depths from the outer surface and from the inner surface ranging from 0.002 " to 0.020 " in both directions. The core hardness was also measured. Multiple readings were taken but suffice it to say the hardness was pretty consistent throughout, equivalent to 31 to 35 Rockwell C. This is what you would expect for a gun barrel.

Ron indicated in his e-mail to me with the report that this material is acceptable and that the chromium plating was done well. He mentioned that the British used 1070 steel in the 1880s for gun barrels.

This testing was conducted by a U. S. metals testing lab. The lab included a color photograph of the steel microstructure in the report. The cost of the barrel testing was $650.00. A big thank you goes to Smith Enterprise, Inc. for paying for the Chinese barrel testing and sharing it with us M14 fans. This is another question we can now lay to rest.
 
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Can we presume then that this new information would apply to all Polytech and Norinco barrels? Very good information. Thanks for posting it.

There's no difference between Poly Technologies and Norinco barrels, the same factory made them. The results of the testing matches up with what shooters have reported, Chinese barrels are pretty accurate for chromium plated standard contour tubes. Ron mentioned in his e-mail that equivalent 4140 steel can be hard to come by in mainland China. The barrel sampled is probably typical for what was produced.
 
Thank Ron for doing the test on these barrels!

Sorry for my ignorance, was the Chinese barrel tested pre-banned or compatible to the current ones available in Canuck?

I aware that pretty much all M305 / M14s available in Canada are made from left over parts but is there any difference on the barrel compare to those imported to the States a decade or so ago than the ones we can get currently?
 
Last month during a conversation with Ron Smith, Smith Enterprise, Inc., he told me that he was going to have a TRW M14 bolt and the rear half of a demilled H&R M14 receiver tested for surface and core hardness and case depth. Of course, I was very intrigued to hear about this. I mentioned that it would also be interesting if a Chinese M14 barrel could be tested. Without hesitating, he said he would have one tested along with the aformentioned parts.

True to his word, I received a copy of the metals testing lab report on the Chinese M14 barrel this week. The big surprise is that the barrel is made from equivalent AISI 1050 carbon steel. Elemental composition of the steel was as follows: 0.51 % carbon, 0.008 % sulfur, 0.014 % phosphorous, 0.029 % silicon, 0.05 % copper, 0.03 % aluminum, 0.02 % nickel, 0.02 % chromium, 0.75 % manganese and the remainder was iron.

The finish was verified as zinc phosphate coating and the chromium plating thickness measured 0.001 ", as one would expect. The average chromium plating hardness measured 851 on the Vickers 100 scale. The plating hardness meets American standards for hard chroming.

The surface hardness of the Chinese barrel was measured using the Knoop scale. Measurements were also taken at various depths from the outer surface and from the inner surface ranging from 0.002 " to 0.020 " in both directions. The core hardness was also measured. Multiple readings were taken but suffice it to say the hardness was pretty consistent throughout, equivalent to 31 to 35 Rockwell C. This is what you would expect for a gun barrel.

Ron indicated in his e-mail to me with the report that this material is acceptable and that the chromium plating was done well. He mentioned that the British used 1070 steel in the 1880s for gun barrels.

This testing was conducted by a U. S. metals testing lab. The lab included a color photograph of the steel microstructure in the report. The cost of the barrel testing was $650.00. A big thank you goes to Smith Enterprise, Inc. for paying for the Chinese barrel testing and sharing it with us M14 fans. This is another question we can now lay to rest.
You know you were still supposed to give me a mailing address for this Nork '09 bolt that I got here for mic'ing & reockwell testing for ya ;)
But thanx for the headz up on this important info & how is Ron making out with his new reciever's that should be on the market very soon? Any chance that your northener brother's can get our mitts on it?
 
The Chinese barrel that was tested was pre-1994. We only have "pre-ban" Chinese M14 stuff in the United States. :redface:

Satain, thanks for the offer on the Norinco bolt but I'm happy with what was found on the two Chinese M14 bolts I had tested. The report on the Chinese M14 bolts is available for free if you e-mail me.

Yes, Smith Enterprise, Inc. is selling its new M14 receiver through RGuns, a distributor in Illinois. I don't believe RGuns has an export license so sales are only for U. S. customers, AFAIK. It's best to call Smith Enterprise, Inc. directly if you're interested.
 
Really you already did this type of testing on Nork bolts PM inbound.
Also...
Thanx Different 4 the headz up about the recievers as I did not know that there were being sold to the public yet.
w:h:
Now it seemslike it's paper work time.
 
It's great that we can tap into the wealth of knowledge openly shared by Different. For those new to the m14 scene, Lee Emerson AKA Different , is the author of the History and Development of the m14. Just google it, it's all m14 and it's all online.

Question for Different
Are you aware of any markings or stampings on the barrels tested? Would be interesting to compare markings for possibly dating or identifying "lot" groups of chinese barrels.
And were any bore vs outside diameter concentricity evaluations done?
 
Question for Different
Are you aware of any markings or stampings on the barrels tested? Would be interesting to compare markings for possibly dating or identifying "lot" groups of chinese barrels.
And were any bore vs outside diameter concentricity evaluations done?

Hi, Thomas. I'm not aware of any markings or stampings on Chinese M14 barrels, at least what we have here in the United States. The one tested was a typical 22 " Chinese M14 barrel, nothing out of the ordinary. Bore and outside diameter concentricity evaluations were not done, it was strictly a metallurgical report.

There is one exception to my statement above about "pre-ban" only Chinese M14 items in the United States. About 2002, Numrich Gun Parts Corporation was able to import a batch of Norinco 17 5/8 " M14 barrels into the United States. I was fortunate enough to get one of them from Numrich. It looks even better than the spare Chinese 22 " barrels in my stash. The chromium plating in the bore looks like a mirror finish and it has a nice charcoal phosphate coating.
 
Interesting....
I have come across marked and unmarked chinese barrels.
I wonder if it would be legal to chop up a chinese barrel into short sections and send it down to you guys.
I have 2005,2007,2009 import year new barrels and for such an endeavor I would have no issues chopping them into test pieces and sending them to you or Ron.
 
Interesting....
I have come across marked and unmarked chinese barrels.
I wonder if it would be legal to chop up a chinese barrel into short sections and send it down to you guys.
I have 2005,2007,2009 import year new barrels and for such an endeavor I would have no issues chopping them into test pieces and sending them to you or Ron.

How are the Chinese barrels marked? Do they have the electropenciled numbers like the trigger housings? ETA: Yes, some of the Chinese M14 barrels have importer (KFS and CAI) markings.

I appreciate the offer but honestly, I think we now have a decent idea of what the metallurgy is for the Chinese bolts and barrels. I don't know if you've seen my report on the Chinese bolts but if anyone wants it for free, just e-mail me.

AFAIK, the Chinese have only made operating rods, stocks and the shorty barrels in the last ten years. The receivers on recent Canadian imports were machined in the 1990s. The Chinese manufactured 100,000 M14 rifles in the 1960s. As best as I can figure from all of the serial number ranges, about 62,000 complete M14 rifles have been exported from China. Federal Ordnance imported 10,000 Chinese M14 parts kits about 1991 into the United States. So, if my number crunching is in the ball park, that still leaves quite a few "parts kits" left in China. IMO, it doesn't make sense to produce new M14 parts after 1994 if there is still remaining inventory. After all, sales are dependent upon approval of foreign governments and willing ($$$) importers.
 
Some have numbers, usually single digit between oprod guide and handguard detail.
Some have. A "-" stamp near oprod guide and near shoulder.
I've also found letters, single ones in same areas.
Kinda random and not on all barrels either
 
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