What film or TV production allows the security guard to act as well as set off pyro? Why does this all sound improbable? You weren't involved in the Alberta Infantry Society were you? That lime green M14 still gives me nightmares .....
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What film or TV production allows the security guard to act as well as set off pyro? Why does this all sound improbable? You weren't involved in the Alberta Infantry Society were you? That lime green M14 still gives me nightmares .....
thats not fair, we hardly even know these people, and that is the crux of why they are here, to introduce themselves to canada's shooting population...
they just need to be more transparent with WHO thier instructors are and what background they have, list some of the courses the instructors themselves have taken and what instructor qualifications they may have.
**HINT**
they just need to be more transparent with WHO thier instructors are and what background they have, list some of the courses the instructors themselves have taken and what instructor qualifications they may have.
**HINT**
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I stayed in a Holiday Inn last night........
OK, it wans't a Holiday Inn.
I was at home.
But, I dreamed I stayed in a Holiday Inn last night.
OK, it wans't a Holiday Inn.
I was at home.
But, I dreamed I stayed in a Holiday Inn last night.
I've exchanged lengthy emails and done some background research on "Max". He is the real deal, frankly Canada is lucky to have someone of his caliber and experience willing to set up shop here. It can be difficult to remain working in the industry and be completely transparent on the internet, many clients value their anonymity. I'm sure the AARs will tell the story.
Being a competent firearms instructor and great with marketing shouldn't be mutually exclusive traits. I think we've got a winner here.
Being a competent firearms instructor and great with marketing shouldn't be mutually exclusive traits. I think we've got a winner here.
From the director of training:
"Quite a few questions, so forgive me for keeping a lower profile and web presence but I have had security issues in the past along with other guys I've worked with having to remove personal info, pics etc when out of the country. I don't trust the internet and website security and after working in the industry for so many years, many of us don't and this is no exception. For this reason I have an administrator who is doing the bulk of the online presence for me and has been an immense help, but bear with me I am still learning and pitching in where I can.
Please let me see if I can help define what it is we are trying to accomplish here. As people have mentioned previously in the thread I believe the AARs will speak for themselves along with testimonials etc., and the wait, I'm sure, will be devastatingly long for some of you.
Personally I don't put much stock in who's worked where and trained with whom because at the end of the day having all the best courses in the world does nothing if you cannot impart the knowledge effectively to the student and have them walk away feeling good about what they've accomplished and knowing they have learned a skill base that can be developed from there or to refresh training ideals. The best schools out there are very open in the industry and often share a good deal of training info with each other and we are no different. Good information sticks around and bad info fades away.
That being said I came from the Military and shortly after leaving I moved over to the private sector in executive, corporate and close protection and this has been the bulk of my work for almost 15 years now. I am fortunate because for the last 10 I have been teaching through an Executive Protection college in the US in both the EP firearms and operations programs as one of my primary teaching contracts. Film and TV has evolved as a fringe work and hobby environment using the pyro and stunt/acting experience to help develop a very intense force on force and realistic scenario based training from an LE and Military perspectives to Tactical Medical scenarios. None of which are open to the public at this time, nor will they likely ever be. Sorry, but that's a reality. What we hope to bring for the public is a hybrid version of those programs that will bring in a dynamic and fun training and scenario setup that is usually only available outside our own country or strictly in a competition setting.
My goal is for this training outfit to not be recognized for one person. I don't believe a single program can be carried by one persons name over a length of time unless it is a big name in the industry already. I see enough of that up here in Canada, which is why more than a few pale in comparison to programs in the US and Europe where skill shown is regarded higher than some of the egos that preach about themselves on paper. This is also why some of my American and UK friends come up here to teach because there are few of us from our own country that are willing to move forward and attempt to approach the market from a Canadian perspective. From a moral standpoint, outside of basic handling of carbine and pistol (which I feel are necessary safety skills for owning such gear) I do check and require background checks and have the ultimate responsibility to remove anyone I feel is using the advanced programs for less than savory purposes or is/appears unstable in any way shape or form. As a private company, if I don't feel you are even capable of the basic safety requirements I will send you off the range (under police escort if necessary). Believe me, I don't need or care about the money. I do well enough in the protection industry to not even bother with this. I am choosing to enter this up here because I see a limited offering of programs that bring variety of skills and personnel to the table that people are continually asking for and I wish to see it come forth from a Canadian perspective. I have been asked for years by other Canadians why I never considered starting a school up here, my standard answer is: Moral obligations to the industry I work in already. I need to trust the students ability to learn, and perform tasks safely and with complete awareness of their surroundings. If for any reason that doesn't fall into place then I stop the process and the person in question goes home. Is it unreasonable for an instructor to demand this from a student? Given the nature of the gear we practice with and enjoy as a sport, absolutely not. It is one of the fundamental practices we try to instill in new shooters across the country in firearms safety courses which often times is sadly forgotten once they start practicing on their own. I'm sure we've all seen the people on the range that have their license and permits but continue to act in a less than honorable fashion and because of that we all strive to be better so we do not tarnish the fragile industry in this country we all enjoy as a privilege. No, I don't believe I am being unreasonable in making demands on students.
I am not the only instructor that will be teaching future programs nor do I want to be the only one. Different instructors bring different ideas and situations and skill sets which will help make our programs develop into a constantly evolving and updating system and will not lock us down into one specific style of instruction. I also wanted to see if we could do it at an affordable rate here given our restrictions on gear and ammo. There is so much information available in the training market to be bound by one style or one program only. I have never attended a program that I have not walked away with some good experience or knowledge from. If I'm wrong in my perception of the training market here then I'll go away and will not offer anything more and there will be one less resource available and I'll go back to doing private invitation only courses again on the side.
Bottom line for me is I'm here because I want to be, not because I have to and the same can be said for those that are working with me to develop this. Any of the courses you have taken that were memorable or good programs were likely because of solid people delivering a product because of this mentality. I will not compromise the training I offer just to make a buck.
I believe that there are many among us that are hoping to see something of quality that will last and provide a positive and safe learning environment for this industry. I hope that Adler can be one of the companies that can help fulfill that.
-Max
Program Director,
Adler Tactical
"Quite a few questions, so forgive me for keeping a lower profile and web presence but I have had security issues in the past along with other guys I've worked with having to remove personal info, pics etc when out of the country. I don't trust the internet and website security and after working in the industry for so many years, many of us don't and this is no exception. For this reason I have an administrator who is doing the bulk of the online presence for me and has been an immense help, but bear with me I am still learning and pitching in where I can.
Please let me see if I can help define what it is we are trying to accomplish here. As people have mentioned previously in the thread I believe the AARs will speak for themselves along with testimonials etc., and the wait, I'm sure, will be devastatingly long for some of you.
Personally I don't put much stock in who's worked where and trained with whom because at the end of the day having all the best courses in the world does nothing if you cannot impart the knowledge effectively to the student and have them walk away feeling good about what they've accomplished and knowing they have learned a skill base that can be developed from there or to refresh training ideals. The best schools out there are very open in the industry and often share a good deal of training info with each other and we are no different. Good information sticks around and bad info fades away.
That being said I came from the Military and shortly after leaving I moved over to the private sector in executive, corporate and close protection and this has been the bulk of my work for almost 15 years now. I am fortunate because for the last 10 I have been teaching through an Executive Protection college in the US in both the EP firearms and operations programs as one of my primary teaching contracts. Film and TV has evolved as a fringe work and hobby environment using the pyro and stunt/acting experience to help develop a very intense force on force and realistic scenario based training from an LE and Military perspectives to Tactical Medical scenarios. None of which are open to the public at this time, nor will they likely ever be. Sorry, but that's a reality. What we hope to bring for the public is a hybrid version of those programs that will bring in a dynamic and fun training and scenario setup that is usually only available outside our own country or strictly in a competition setting.
My goal is for this training outfit to not be recognized for one person. I don't believe a single program can be carried by one persons name over a length of time unless it is a big name in the industry already. I see enough of that up here in Canada, which is why more than a few pale in comparison to programs in the US and Europe where skill shown is regarded higher than some of the egos that preach about themselves on paper. This is also why some of my American and UK friends come up here to teach because there are few of us from our own country that are willing to move forward and attempt to approach the market from a Canadian perspective. From a moral standpoint, outside of basic handling of carbine and pistol (which I feel are necessary safety skills for owning such gear) I do check and require background checks and have the ultimate responsibility to remove anyone I feel is using the advanced programs for less than savory purposes or is/appears unstable in any way shape or form. As a private company, if I don't feel you are even capable of the basic safety requirements I will send you off the range (under police escort if necessary). Believe me, I don't need or care about the money. I do well enough in the protection industry to not even bother with this. I am choosing to enter this up here because I see a limited offering of programs that bring variety of skills and personnel to the table that people are continually asking for and I wish to see it come forth from a Canadian perspective. I have been asked for years by other Canadians why I never considered starting a school up here, my standard answer is: Moral obligations to the industry I work in already. I need to trust the students ability to learn, and perform tasks safely and with complete awareness of their surroundings. If for any reason that doesn't fall into place then I stop the process and the person in question goes home. Is it unreasonable for an instructor to demand this from a student? Given the nature of the gear we practice with and enjoy as a sport, absolutely not. It is one of the fundamental practices we try to instill in new shooters across the country in firearms safety courses which often times is sadly forgotten once they start practicing on their own. I'm sure we've all seen the people on the range that have their license and permits but continue to act in a less than honorable fashion and because of that we all strive to be better so we do not tarnish the fragile industry in this country we all enjoy as a privilege. No, I don't believe I am being unreasonable in making demands on students.
I am not the only instructor that will be teaching future programs nor do I want to be the only one. Different instructors bring different ideas and situations and skill sets which will help make our programs develop into a constantly evolving and updating system and will not lock us down into one specific style of instruction. I also wanted to see if we could do it at an affordable rate here given our restrictions on gear and ammo. There is so much information available in the training market to be bound by one style or one program only. I have never attended a program that I have not walked away with some good experience or knowledge from. If I'm wrong in my perception of the training market here then I'll go away and will not offer anything more and there will be one less resource available and I'll go back to doing private invitation only courses again on the side.
Bottom line for me is I'm here because I want to be, not because I have to and the same can be said for those that are working with me to develop this. Any of the courses you have taken that were memorable or good programs were likely because of solid people delivering a product because of this mentality. I will not compromise the training I offer just to make a buck.
I believe that there are many among us that are hoping to see something of quality that will last and provide a positive and safe learning environment for this industry. I hope that Adler can be one of the companies that can help fulfill that.
-Max
Program Director,
Adler Tactical
For the Aug 7-8 basic carbine the location says: TBD. When you will know the location where the course will be held at? Same instructor as for the upcoming weekend course? I wish you guys could organize the course in Edmonton or near by.
ps it cost more than the last time I checked. I wonder what will be the price change for August.
ps it cost more than the last time I checked. I wonder what will be the price change for August.
Ok so basically you're super high-speed and because of this people can't know who you are until they go on a course. Very good.
It's hard for some people to go ahead and drop cash for a course when they don't know #### about the instructor. I'm sure we can wait for the AAR's, but even then I take most of those with a grain of salt because many people have never been on a professionally run course before and think that the first course they go on is the greatest ever.
But seriously do we get to shoot miniguns out of a helicopter? Because I would likely sign up for that course.
It's hard for some people to go ahead and drop cash for a course when they don't know #### about the instructor. I'm sure we can wait for the AAR's, but even then I take most of those with a grain of salt because many people have never been on a professionally run course before and think that the first course they go on is the greatest ever.
But seriously do we get to shoot miniguns out of a helicopter? Because I would likely sign up for that course.
It didn't say he did them all on the same movie. Likely security was the foot in the door to other movie work.
It would be a whole lot cooler if he did it all at once though.
With magical elves.
How the hell do you think? Same way you do it with regular capacity mags.
I've been hoping for a Canadian training facility for a while now, but I will wait for feedback until dropping my hard earned dollars to a facility that seems very reluctant to provide any more than shadowy backgrounds and first names for the instructors. Come on. Max?? What is this, a cheap Mercenary novel where you only get a nom de plu? In contrast two of the best know US training sites, Thunder Ranch and Gunsite are very forward about the owners and their trainers backgrounds. Thunder Ranch has Clint Smith's pic and bio on their first page and Gunsite has a complete list of all the instructors, with last names I might add, as well as a complete bio with all pertinent service dates and disciplines.
I hope these gentleman are the straight goods but really, anybody can be anything online without a proper CV with dates and bio's to back it up....after all when I was with Delta in Somalia...... well you get the picture.
I hope these gentleman are the straight goods but really, anybody can be anything online without a proper CV with dates and bio's to back it up....after all when I was with Delta in Somalia...... well you get the picture.
Tactical Response and Rising Sun Tactical are also very forward with thier instructors credentials and bio's.... and very canadian friendly. When it comes to training "civilians" openess is definatly a winning proposition.
For the Aug 7-8 basic carbine the location says: TBD. When you will know the location where the course will be held at? Same instructor as for the upcoming weekend course? I wish you guys could organize the course in Edmonton or near by.
ps it cost more than the last time I checked. I wonder what will be the price change for August.
Yes the same instructor (Max) will be teaching the Aug 7-8 course, we are currently searching for other ranges that will allow us to book their facility for a whole weekend. Many ranges (rightly so) prefer to allow their members to have free reign of the range on the weekends, so we need to make sure that we can consistently book space at ranges around Southern Alberta. This however leaves us open to moving to areas that would not typically have the access locally to these programs.
We should know after this week what ranges are available for us to use.
As was mentioned in the last post by Max the courses are being made available for people who want to improve their skills, if they walk away from a course feeling like they have made a substantial improvement from when they started then we have succeeded in that goal. If people do not want to book a course because they don't know the instructor and don't believe the AAR's that they read, then that is their prerogative, we are not forcing anyone to take them. We are providing quality instruction based on previous experience for people who want to learn. The courses are fairly priced for the industry so if folks do not want to spend their money on something that they are not sure of then don't.
As far as no specifics on instructors go, it was mentioned before that people have gotten themselves into trouble by posting too many specifics on an open forum, this is just common sense. I notice that not many people use their real names or even locations on CGN, granted, they are not in the spotlight making a name for a company, however, enough information has been provided regarding our lead instructors experience without having to add specific company names and locations. If folks are not going to believe the bio without names added we seriously doubt that adding names will make a big difference. This is not about one particular instructor, it is about a group of well experienced people bringing a variety of teaching methods to one location.
Currently, the courses that are showing on the calendar for the summer will all be taught by our lead instructor with help from some local folks and guest instructors. Guest instructors will be brought in at various times to do specific courses or to add experience to current courses, these will be posted beforehand.
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I respectfully agree with Tim Cox.
Someone who wants to market themselves as an expert/instructor in any field of endeavour has to be willing to provide credentials to potential customers.
