++UPDATE April 24/23++ Interest in Shorter Barrel for the new Derya TM22 ?

[BrownR]

Sort of like this ?

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Now that would look SUPER COOL if it was FDE or OD green with the fake suppressor in black, maybe even a foldable/adjustable stock

 

[randyhub]

Off topic but related to your Shop, would love to be able to buy a GSG16 short barrel.

 

[BrownR]

Any ideas as to when you’ll be doing a run on short barrels for these ?? I’d be interested in 2 maybe 3 of em.

 

[willisworms]

There are three of us in Kelowna that would buy them.

 

[Mtl514]

Id take some aswell

 

[hsatimmy]

i still would

 

[Arminhammer]

I would more interested in a 12 to 14 inch one.

 

[Vewdu]

Doubt these are coming to fruition anytime soon or at all as the guy behind the page and most of their projects outside of the shotguns, quit.

 

[g36k]

I spoke to the remaining Dlask owner. They are in-progress but he didn't provide an ETA. He also said no 12" option because there isn't a market for the remaining 8" barrels which would be too short in general to make the NR cut without a barrel extension beyond what they sell. So the 20" blanks are /2 - 10" each like the first 2 runs.

Derya is planning making a shorter barrel version as well (confirmed via email directly) but they didn't confirm timing.

 

[BrownR]

I almost think and wonder maybe it cheaper to have a gunsmith cut and crown the 18.5” barrel then thread the end lol

 

[#1bcshooter]

I spoke to the remaining Dlask owner. They are in-progress but he didn't provide an ETA. He also said no 12" option because there isn't a market for the remaining 8" barrels which would be too short in general to make the NR cut without a barrel extension beyond what they sell. So the 20" blanks are /2 - 10" each like the first 2 runs.

Derya is planning making a shorter barrel version as well (confirmed via email directly) but they didn't confirm timing.

And yet they make 12" 1022 barrels

 

[Johnyy]

And yet they make 12" 1022 barrels

An extra 2" never hurt anyone ..well....~

 

[StickMan Actual]

I almost think and wonder maybe it cheaper to have a gunsmith cut and crown the 18.5” barrel then thread the end lol

Go for it, I'll come by on Saturdays and top off your canteen account....

Per the Firearms Regs it is ILLIGAL to cut ANY barrel below 18.5" regardless if the barrel is longer or shorter to begin with. So no, your gunsmith won't just cut and crown your barrel if he likes his freedom.

 

[mmattockx]

Go for it, I'll come by on Saturdays and top off your canteen account....

Per the Firearms Regs it is ILLIGAL to cut ANY barrel below 18.5" regardless if the barrel is longer or shorter to begin with. So no, your gunsmith won't just cut and crown your barrel if he likes his freedom.

18.5" (actually 470mm) is the limit for non-restricted on semi-auto centerfires. You cannot cut any barrel shorter than 457mm (17.99") or the firearm becomes a prohibited weapon. These limits are in the restricted and prohibited firearm definitions at the beginning of Section 3 of the Criminal Code, not in the firearms regulations.


Mark

 

[StickMan Actual]

Incorrect. The BARREL becomes a Prohibited Item, not the firearm. You can change the barrel i.e. a P-08, and turn it from Prohibited to Restricted. Or in the case of a Bren 2 or other rifle that was, until a month ago Non-Restricted. The barrel is not the gun.

I said the 'Firearms Regs', not the Firearms Act. I did that because the CC and The Act often contradict each other on minutae of detail and I'm not at a computer nor do I have the time atm to find the particular details.

The post i was replying to doesn't know these details so people like you and I do our best to keep them from the Brig.

 

[mmattockx]

Incorrect. The BARREL becomes a Prohibited Item, not the firearm. You can change the barrel i.e. a P-08, and turn it from Prohibited to Restricted. Or in the case of a Bren 2 or other rifle that was, until a month ago Non-Restricted. The barrel is not the gun.

You are correct that the barrel can be changed and a restricted rifle can be re-registered to NR or a 12.6 prohib handgun re-registered to restricted, but you are not correct on the cutting of a barrel. It makes the whole gun a prohib. Sure, you could change to a new barrel before you get caught and no one will be the wiser, but if you get caught with a sawed off rifle or shotgun you get charged with possession of a prohib firearm, not a prohib barrel.

The law does not differentiate between the barrel and the entire firearm on this point and you can have a bunch of cut down barrels in your garage and they are not prohibited devices but you do have a prohib firearm as soon as you install a cut down barrel on a gun. Yes, it's stupid, but it is how the law is written.

From the CC:

prohibited device means

• (a) any component or part of a weapon, or any accessory for use with a weapon, that is prescribed to be a prohibited device,
• (b) a handgun barrel that is equal to or less than 105 mm in length, but does not include any such handgun barrel that is prescribed, where the handgun barrel is for use in international sporting competitions governed by the rules of the International Shooting Union,
• (c) a device or contrivance designed or intended to muffle or stop the sound or report of a firearm,
• (d) a cartridge magazine that is prescribed to be a prohibited device, or
• (e) a replica firearm; (dispositif prohibé)

prohibited firearm means

• (a) a handgun that
  • (i) has a barrel equal to or less than 105 mm in length, or
  • (ii) is designed or adapted to discharge a 25 or 32 calibre cartridge,
  • but does not include any such handgun that is prescribed, where the handgun is for use in international sporting competitions governed by the rules of the International Shooting Union,
• (b) a firearm that is adapted from a rifle or shotgun, whether by sawing, cutting or any other alteration, and that, as so adapted,
  • (i) is less than 660 mm in length, or
  • (ii) is 660 mm or greater in length and has a barrel less than 457 mm in length,
• (c) an automatic firearm, whether or not it has been altered to discharge only one projectile with one pressure of the trigger,
• (d) any firearm that is prescribed to be a prohibited firearm, or
• (e) any unlawfully manufactured firearm regardless of the means or method of manufacture;
• (e) a firearm that is not a handgun and that
  • (i) discharges centre-fire ammunition in a semi-automatic manner,
  • (ii) was originally designed with a detachable cartridge magazine with a capacity of six cartridges or more, and
  • (iii) is designed and manufactured on or after the day on which this paragraph comes into force; (arme à feu prohibée)

Note that cut barrels are not mentioned anywhere aside from the 105mm limit on handgun barrels. If you saw off the barrel it makes the gun a prohib, not the barrel alone.

Otherwise I think we agree on much more than we disagree and the laws are terribly written and unclear.


Mark

 

[StickMan Actual]

"...but you are not correct on the cutting of a barrel. It makes the whole gun a prohib."

No, not correct. The post asked about taking a Derya barrel, presumably off the gun to do the machine work of cutting, threading and crowning it. Then presumably re-installing it on the gun. Once you remove the barrel and cut it the barrel becomes a Prohibited Item. (You cannot cut ANY barrel below 18". Even if it is a rimfire barrel and started of legally manufactured below that 18", like on a Ruger 10/22.) Put the Prohibited item back onto the gun and now the gun is prohibited.

Don't believe me you say ? Call ANY BFL holding gunsmith in Canada and ask them to do it.

" ...and you can have a bunch of cut down barrels in your garage and they are not prohibited devices."

This is scary inaccurate and WILL get you charged. YES, a barrel cut below 18" in Canada IS Prohibited.

Again, CALL the RCMP or email the SFSS in Ottawa and ask them if it's legal to shorten and then posses modified barrels. Please do not give out absolutely false information like this.

"....If you saw off the barrel it makes the gun a prohib, not the barrel alone."

Yes, if the barrel is on the gun AT THE TIME OF CUTTING, then the whole thing is Prohibited. If the barrel is removed and cut then it alone is Prohibited until it is reassembled onto the gun at which point the gun becomes Prohib.

I'm not arguing with you about these laws, sorry. I know what I've just started is 100% accurate and I say if you don't believe it, no problem. But unless you've got something otherwise IN WRITING from the RCMP then don't state things as fact so others get confused and possibly on the wrong side of the law.

Understand that not only do the FA and the CC not line up at times but the RCMP have other unwritten 'rules', 'spirits of' and 'judgements' they run by so simply reading one part of the regs will not ever give you a black and white answer.

Again, you don't have to believe me but if you want to state fact to others then get it in writing.

 

[mmattockx]

Once you remove the barrel and cut it the barrel becomes a Prohibited Item.

This is scary inaccurate and WILL get you charged. YES, a barrel cut below 18" in Canada IS Prohibited.

Show me where in the CC it is illegal to possess a cut down barrel.


Mark

 

[PRRRoblematic]

No, not correct. The post asked about taking a Derya barrel, presumably off the gun to do the machine work of cutting, threading and crowning it. Then presumably re-installing it on the gun. Once you remove the barrel and cut it the barrel becomes a Prohibited Item. (You cannot cut ANY barrel below 18". Even if it is a rimfire barrel and started of legally manufactured below that 18", like on a Ruger 10/22.) Put the Prohibited item back onto the gun and now the gun is prohibited.

Don't believe me you say ? Call ANY BFL holding gunsmith in Canada and ask them to do it.


This is scary inaccurate and WILL get you charged. YES, a barrel cut below 18" in Canada IS Prohibited.

Again, CALL the RCMP or email the SFSS in Ottawa and ask them if it's legal to shorten and then posses modified barrels. Please do not give out absolutely false information like this.


Yes, if the barrel is on the gun AT THE TIME OF CUTTING, then the whole thing is Prohibited. If the barrel is removed and cut then it alone is Prohibited until it is reassembled onto the gun at which point the gun becomes Prohib.

I'm not arguing with you about these laws, sorry. I know what I've just started is 100% accurate and I say if you don't believe it, no problem. But unless you've got something otherwise IN WRITING from the RCMP then don't state things as fact so others get confused and possibly on the wrong side of the law.

Understand that not only do the FA and the CC not line up at times but the RCMP have other unwritten 'rules', 'spirits of' and 'judgements' they run by so simply reading one part of the regs will not ever give you a black and white answer.

Again, you don't have to believe me but if you want to state fact to others then get it in writing.

Too many parapgraphs to be embarrassingly wrong on rimfire firearms.

"I'm irrevocably ill-informed" ftfy, yw.

 

[StickMan Actual]

Too many parapgraphs to be embarrassingly wrong on rimfire firearms.

"I'm irrevocably ill-informed" ftfy, yw.

If I'm wrong then tell me why NO ONE takes their Derya or GSS-16, or 10/22 barrels off and cuts them ?

Why do companies like Dlask and others make short barrels ?

Why does NO ONE just remove their 870 barrel, part it off and make their own short barrelled shotgun ?

You and you kind are literally too dumb to explain things like the finite detail of the convoluted laws in Canada to.

Like I said to Mike, CALL A GUNSMITH AND ASK THEM TO DO THIS FOR YOU. Prove me wrong.

Enjoy the lawyer bills when you get caught.