(UPDATE) My Ross Rifle History (Pics Finally)

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Hi,

I have a Ross M10 Rifle (Military? as it has full wood and a bayo lug). I would like to figure out the history on this piece as I don't have any books on the piece.

On the butt of the stock is states ECH.G. and then a 1## digit serial number
It also came with a Brass Oiler that has DA 17 on the bottom.

It's in really great shape. Only has a few dents in the wood and the bolt has Case Hardening marks (the Blue Colour look). When I received it the barrel looked dark so I cleaned it up and the Barrel has very distinct rifleing and is shinny with very very little pits (hardly visible and hardly any).

What would be the History on this piece?

Any Info would be greatly appreciated.

Here's the pics I said I'd take.

oh one other thing the sling loops are tight none of them rock back and forth on their own, just an example how unused this rifle is.

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Thanks
 
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Bart212 said:
Hi,

I have a Ross M10 Rifle (Military? as it has full wood and a bayo lug). I would like to figure out the history on this piece as I don't have any books on the piece.

On the butt of the stock is states ECH.G. and then a 1## digit serial number
It also came with a Brass Oiler that has DA 17 on the bottom.

It's in really great shape. Only has a few dents in the wood and the bolt has Case Hardening marks (the Blue Colour look). When I received it the barrel looked dark so I cleaned it up and the Barrel has very distinct rifleing and is http://world.guns.ru/rifle/rtl24-e.htmshinny with very very little pits (hardly visible and hardly any).

What would be the History on this piece?

Any Info would be greatly appreciated.

I'll post pics another time.

Thanks
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Here's a link with some info. Not sure why the link showed up where it did but there it is. Hope this helps.
 
"...What would be the History..." Foisted on the Canadian Army by Sam Hughes and his buddy Charles Ross. If you're anywhere near London, the Central branch of the Public Library has a book. 'Mr. Ross and his Rifle', I think it's called. It's in the 'Technology' section on the second floor.
You won't find anything about where your rifle was or who used it though. Those records don't exist.
 
sunray;1639359You won't find anything about where your rifle was or who used it though. Those records don't exist.[/QUOTE said:
Ross rifles are often unit marked. Research the unit, and you can learn quite a lot about where the rifle saw service.
"green" just asked if there is a 5 digit serial with the HG prefix. ECH.G. plus a number sounds like a Canadian Home Guard unit mark. I had sent a PM to Bart212 along the same lines. If it is a Home Guard rifle it will be possible to tie it to a particular unit, and its period of service.
Mk. II rifles will usually have marks and dates from serveral units. My Mk. II*** saw service with the Princess Louise Fusiliers, from March, 1910, and with the 69th Bn. (from the Eastern Townships) from April, 1912, before going to the US in 1917. US unit mark is 13/3/43. Rifle 43, 3rd Company, 13th Regiment?
One on my Mk. III rifles is marked to the 15th BN. CEF, The 48th Highlanders. The 15th Bn. arrived on the Western Front early in 1915. and was heavily involved at 2nd Ypres in April of 1915. The 15th Bn. was on the extreme left flank of the Cdn. line, immediately to the right of the French colonial troops who were gassed and ran. The 15th took 691 casualties in three days, while preventing the Germans from turning the left flank. They exchanged their Rosses for SMLEs on June 15, 1915. The rifle was subsequently issued to the 19th Bn., Lincoln and Welland, 2nd Division. It later found itself on HMS Canada, with the RN. May have been aboard during the Battle of Jutland in 1916.
Another of my Mk. IIIs is marked to the 16th Bn., The Canadian Scottish. They too were at 2nd Ypres, and were rushed into a nighttime counterattack at Kitcheners' Wood. This rifle also wound up with the RN aboard HMS Canada.
It is often impossible to learn where and when and with whom a rifle saw service. Rosses are among the few about which a lot can sometimes be learned.
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tiriaq said:
Another of my Mk. IIIs is marked to the 16th Bn., The Canadian Scottish. They too were at 2nd Ypres, and were rushed into a nighttime counterattack at Kitcheners' Wood. This rifle also wound up with the RN aboard HMS Canada.
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That's the same unit as the one on display in the MKL photo pictorial. :)

1916 M10 Mk. III Ross Rifle (Marked to 16th Battalion C.E.F.)http://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=4

I wonder what these old girls have seen? If only they could talk ... :D

Regards,
Badger
 
OK, Bart212's rifle is serialed on the left of the barrel breech. Its a Home Guard rifle. Now, what could the cryptic ECH.G.represent? Could be English or French. Something or other Guard.
Well, the rifle surfaced in Elgin County. ECH.G. - Elgin County Home Guard? Could be.
 
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Every Canadian collector should have a Ross, #4 and a Cooey. I can remember a bunch of Ross rifles for sale at $10 each. They came off a ship. I could not afford to buy even one of them, even though I knew what they were.
 
A fine rifle! 93 years old. Surviving HG rifles are more likely to be in superior condition than a service issue rifle - unless someone decided they were too long and heavy for deer hunting.
 
Bart212, I AM SO ENVIOUS OF YOU! Please tell me where I can find another Ross in the condition of yours, or at least tell us the story (names omitted to protect the innocent) of how you acquired yours. I just got a "sporterized" bobbed barrel and stock Ross from a Gun Nut. I am on the trail of a full length barrel and maybe some more action and bolt parts, but wood and the front band are going to be problems.
 
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Bart212, I AM SO ENVIOUS OF YOU! Please tell me where I can find another Ross in the condition of yours, or at least tell us the story (names omitted to protect the innocent) of how you acquired yours. I just got a "sporterized" bobbed barrel and stock Ross from a Gun Nut. I am on the trail of a full length barrel and maybe some more action and bolt parts, but wood and the front band are going to be problems.
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Well, a friend called me up and told me that his dad had a Ross rifle and it was for sale. So I picked it up for a :pirate: deal considering what it is. The origin: well my buddy tells me that his dad and uncle were renovating a house and when they removed one of the walls there were guns behind it; shotguns, semi autos and few milsurps.
 
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