Update on HK's release of civilian 416/417

If you read the line, the German is ready to sell this to civilians world wide since it is approved by the German government for domestic consumption.

Not sure you can get the light barrel with flash suppressor though. I imagine it will be distributed like the SL8.

Apparently there had been changes to the German law earlier in regard to the appearance of the rifle that could be allowed. It is not as tight as before.
 
scotty said:
For those of you who don't know what the SR9 looks like, run AWAY!

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Oh God! Please tell me the civie legal 416 won't look like that.:runaway:
 
Has everybody read my new sig line yet?

H und K SUCKS! Not because of their products, but because they never heard that pesky saying about customers and whether said customer is right or wrong. Actually, come to think of it, they don't even WANT you (a civie) as a customer so... F@CK THEM.

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M'eh. I'll get my piston AR from somewhere else, the HK does not seem to be that extra special. Maybe LWRC, or if LMT gets their piston system to the traditional uppers, then yeah. Hey, don't get me wrong - it's nice that HK had a change of heart, but they would have to really jump out of the cake with something extra cool or a huge cut in price for me to go with them over the companies that have always been civvy friendly.
 
The HK system is tested in combat......LWRC is tested by the government and it passed.

LMT is an unknown - Beta testing by civlian sales is not testing. If piston is the best thing since slice bread, then the L85A1 should be the hottest by default -NOT.
 
cybershooters said:
What are they cranking out at the moment?
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The MG4E for the Bundeswehr and Spain, G36's for the Bundeswehr are still being delivered (according to my contacts), a whole bunch of SMG's and craploads of pistols.

cybershooters said:
I dunno, but it sounds as though income overcame their "LEO" philosophy. Yes that was partly imposed by German law, but they've always been iffy about supplying certain things to the civilian market.
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You don't exactly want your weapons surfacing in the arsenals of tin-pot dictators especially after that WWII "incident" and the West German commitment to demilitarization and deindustrialization.
 
koalorka said:
You don't exactly want your weapons surfacing in the arsenals of tin-pot dictators especially after that WWII "incident" and the West German commitment to demilitarization and deindustrialization.
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This is the same Germany with a company called MEN that built an ammo factory for Burma back in the 70s, yes? The same plant that has been churning out ammo that has been used for oppression for decades?

Or how about H&K building arms plants in Saudi Arabia. I'm sure we can trust them! Or supplying arms to the Government of Yugoslavia through clandestine means that were used in various acts of oppression, etc.
 
greentips said:
Apparently there had been changes to the German law earlier in regard to the appearance of the rifle that could be allowed. It is not as tight as before.
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Yes, now it is legal to have a ventilated handguard and night sights... ooooooh. Actually I think the main change is that you don't have to have a thumbhole buttstock anymore, but you still can't have "grenade launchers" or folding stocks. Collapsible stocks though I think are okay.

The dumbest German law by far is that you cannot have a mag that holds more than ten rounds for a semi-auto rifle attached to a semi-auto rifle, but you can buy them. :confused:
 
cybershooters said:
This is the same Germany with a company called MEN that built an ammo factory for Burma back in the 70s, yes? The same plant that has been churning out ammo that has been used for oppression for decades?

Or how about H&K building arms plants in Saudi Arabia. I'm sure we can trust them! Or supplying arms to the Government of Yugoslavia through clandestine means that were used in various acts of oppression, etc.
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Key word: clandestine... jk. HK sold a bunch of licenses to manufacture their G3-based weapons, as long as the weapons themselves being supplied weren't manufactured in W. Germany, all was well. Germany still is the worlds largest industrial technology exporter.
 
cybershooters said:
This is the same Germany with a company called MEN that built an ammo factory for Burma back in the 70s, yes? The same plant that has been churning out ammo that has been used for oppression for decades?

Or how about H&K building arms plants in Saudi Arabia. I'm sure we can trust them! Or supplying arms to the Government of Yugoslavia through clandestine means that were used in various acts of oppression, etc.
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If you're going to go that route don't stop with HK.
 
cybershooters said:
Yes, now it is legal to have a ventilated handguard and night sights... ooooooh. Actually I think the main change is that you don't have to have a thumbhole buttstock anymore, but you still can't have "grenade launchers" or folding stocks. Collapsible stocks though I think are okay.

The dumbest German law by far is that you cannot have a mag that holds more than ten rounds for a semi-auto rifle attached to a semi-auto rifle, but you can buy them. :confused:
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And I thought we had weird gun laws on this side of the pond.:confused:
 
greentips said:
The HK system is tested in combat......LWRC is tested by the government and it passed.

LMT is an unknown - Beta testing by civlian sales is not testing. If piston is the best thing since slice bread, then the L85A1 should be the hottest by default -NOT.
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I'd hardly call LWRC tested by the .gov and passed.
The MURG testing was retarded IMHO based on how they went about it (mouting the 6' rail on the hanguard a picatinny attachment on the bench.) and sample size 1 of each platform - then discounted stoppages on one gun to be froma bad mag - and thus giving it a much higher MRBF. The IAR concept is a concept gun - and the evaluations ongoing are to determine feasibility and validate the concept - no contracts yet (and 7 other solicitations). It looks good -but I dont think that right now I dont think of piston guys can make a lot of claims (outside HK) - until someone does a few 5K NATO endurance test with a sample size of 30 units of each.
 
1 sample??? that doesn't sound like testing , more like a proof of concept of sort.

Oh well, go buy HK!

I suspect any HK416 that might show up in Canada will be directly imported from HK Germany, same as the SL8

KevinB said:
I'd hardly call LWRC tested by the .gov and passed.
The MURG testing was retarded IMHO based on how they went about it (mouting the 6' rail on the hanguard a picatinny attachment on the bench.) and sample size 1 of each platform - then discounted stoppages on one gun to be froma bad mag - and thus giving it a much higher MRBF. The IAR concept is a concept gun - and the evaluations ongoing are to determine feasibility and validate the concept - no contracts yet (and 7 other solicitations). It looks good -but I dont think that right now I dont think of piston guys can make a lot of claims (outside HK) - until someone does a few 5K NATO endurance test with a sample size of 30 units of each.
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