UPDATE: Rossi Ranch Hand Mares Leg

[driller212]

I cant wait to tote around my ranch hand in its new holster attached to its new belt

That is true though, having the large lever would make it easier to operate in -40 or lower.

 

[Quebecer]

I thought the big loop was for snomobile mittens.

Well that's what we tell the media

How do you pull the trigger with mittens? And seriously, why tell the media a lie, what is it really for? I'd like one of these, but I don't like the look of the loop.

I'd also like a longer one in 45-70, but I guess the short one wont be available in the same caliber. Could I just cut down a regular 45-70 legally? What are the ballistics of a .44 magnum in a rifle length barrel? Ok for deer or moose at normal distances? Am I stupid to want guns in the same easy to reload caliber?

Sorry for all the questions

 

[driller212]

Read Wally's post Below

 

[H Wally]

How do you pull the trigger with mittens? And seriously, why tell the media a lie, what is it really for? I'd like one of these, but I don't like the look of the loop.

Wanstalls noted that the regular levers are interchangeable, so you're in luck!

I'd also like a longer one in 45-70, but I guess the short one wont be available in the same caliber. Could I just cut down a regular 45-70 legally? What are the ballistics of a .44 magnum in a rifle length barrel? Ok for deer or moose at normal distances? Am I stupid to want guns in the same easy to reload caliber?

Sorry for all the questions

Cutting a gun down would mean your barrel would have to be longer than 18.5 inches and overall gun length would have to be over 26 inches. These guns are smaller because the barrels were made by a commercial manufacturer from an unused, uncut blank to this size. The devil is in the details

I personally would be leery of shooting a 45/70 out of a barrel that short without a butt stock.... seems to me you'd lose teeth very quickly. Plus I'm not sure the action is even long enough to handle the cartridge - anyone have any insight on that? In addition to that, the short barrel limits your shot distance, so not sure you'd really get any of the 45/70 benefits over the 44 mag at the ranges it would be useful at. My personal opinion of course.

 

[Foxer]

How do you pull the trigger with mittens? And seriously, why tell the media a lie, what is it really for? I'd like one of these, but I don't like the look of the loop.

I think you may have mistaken a bit of humourous banter as an actual conversation.

The larger loop IS for gloves while hunting (not mits) but certainly not snowmobile mitts as you can't hunt while riding a snowmobile.

And we're not actually telling the media anything - it was a joke that revolved around the idea of not wanting to admit that the larger loop allows the gun to be spun

 

[ckid]

H Wally,

You are correct about the action length, the M-92 action is pretty much a pistol cartridge length action....If you wanted a 45-70 you would have to start with a Winchester 1886 or a Marlin 1895 action. There was discussion in another thread about a short barrel 45-70 and it sound like Bit of Pieces down on the coast was willing to entertain such a project.

 

[canuckgunny]

How do you pull the trigger with mittens? And seriously, why tell the media a lie, what is it really for? I'd like one of these, but I don't like the look of the loop.

I'd also like a longer one in 45-70, but I guess the short one wont be available in the same caliber. Could I just cut down a regular 45-70 legally? What are the ballistics of a .44 magnum in a rifle length barrel? Ok for deer or moose at normal distances? Am I stupid to want guns in the same easy to reload caliber?

Sorry for all the questions

.44 mag will shine out of this barrel. The little extra weight and a place for a second hand will tame it considerably vs a revolver, even with the hottest loads. Definitely capable of knocking a deer down. And a lot of òld`guns were produced with the same calibre for just the reason you state... far from a new concept.

 

[Quebecer]

I think you may have mistaken a bit of humourous banter as an actual conversation.

The larger loop IS for gloves while hunting (not mits) but certainly not snowmobile mitts as you can't hunt while riding a snowmobile.

And we're not actually telling the media anything - it was a joke that revolved around the idea of not wanting to admit that the larger loop allows the gun to be spun

I realized it was a joke but I still wanted the real reason in case I buy one. Using gloves didn't make sense to me because the trigger guard doesn't look any larger. Imagine opening the lever and sticking a gloved finger on the trigger and then closing the lever, 'boom'.

The 'spinning' actually makes sense if it didn't seem like such a dumb idea. Imagine being attacked by a bear and saying "Wait! Wait! Watch this." The bear would stop and die laughing.

I'd like to have a gun(s) for all uses without having to by them all (I guess I'm not a true nut). I'm planning to build a cottage on some land way in the bush. This would be a perfect 'convince my wife of bear defense' gun to use while working. But does it, or the reloading equipment I'd buy have any other uses such as hunting.

 

[Foxer]

I realized it was a joke but I still wanted the real reason in case I buy one. Using gloves didn't make sense to me because the trigger guard doesn't look any larger. Imagine opening the lever and sticking a gloved finger on the trigger and then closing the lever, 'boom'.

Well you wouldn't want to do that either way - closing the lever while trying to put your finger on the trigger gets your finger pinched horribly bad. (ask me how I know ) The trigger doesn't move with the lever, it stays where it is.

With a larger loop it is easier with gloves. But it's also faster to cycle the actions in some people's opinions.

The 'spinning' actually makes sense if it didn't seem like such a dumb idea. Imagine being attacked by a bear and saying "Wait! Wait! Watch this." The bear would stop and die laughing.

Hehehe - he might well at that I don't know that spinning would be much faster anyway even if you did prefer not to have one in the chamber. I guess you could argue that it lets you load the gun one handed, but really that's not likely to be a major factor.

I'd like to have a gun(s) for all uses without having to by them all (I guess I'm not a true nut). I'm planning to build a cottage on some land way in the bush. This would be a perfect 'convince my wife of bear defense' gun to use while working. But does it, or the reloading equipment I'd buy have any other uses such as hunting.

It would be hell on deer as far out as you could effectively shoot it, but to be honest it's not a 'one gun does it all' kind of gun. For that you'd be better off with the 16 inch carbine model or the like. Or at least put a full stock on it. I wouldn't say 'don't take it hunting' - but it's not ideally suited for it.

To be honest It sounds like you'd be better off with a marlin 'guide gun' in 45-70 - it's short, easy to carry, will ruin any bear's day and is good for deer and moose at longer ranges. Or buy a shotgun with a slug and smooth bore barrel. That'll do ANYTHING from birds to deer etc

 

[Gotrek]

Put me on the want list. My promise of.... This is my last gun I swear honey... Might have to be bent.

 

[Davie Sprocket]

Showed this at work and there are a couple of guys wanting one.

 

[canuckgunny]

This is a little off topic and quite possibly in the running for the dumbest question of the day... but for those guys talking about a holster for one of these things... is that in any way a problem with regards to 'concealment'?

 

[H Wally]

This is a little off topic and quite possibly in the running for the dumbest question of the day... but for those guys talking about a holster for one of these things... is that in any way a problem with regards to 'concealment'?

Like with any holster/gun, don't hide it under clothing and it won't be concealed. Problemo solved

Being dropleg means it's less likely to disappear under a jacket than a small pistol too.

 

[KiLLGiLL]

So who is organizing the group holster order?

I cant wait to get my ranch hand

 

[Foxer]

So who is organizing the group holster order?

I think we're waiting on a few quotes. We'll see what Spacesaver comes up with, and compare it to some existing options, and see if there's enough people interested in the same design to arrange a group buy.

 

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WARNING... DO NOT LET YOUR WIFE SEE THIS VIDEO.
My wife was sitting right next to me when I played the video... What the heck was he thinking when he said that there was no actual purpose for owning one of these?

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[canuckgunny]

... What the heck was he thinking when he said that there was no actual purpose for owning one of these?

JQ talks out of his ass half the time. Watch his review of the Puma... he basically says the complete opposite...

 

[caramel]

Spoke with Gary yesterday and both the Nemesis Vanquish and the Rossi hand rifle are close cant wait.... On the other hand my friend shoot and reload 44 mag for is Contender 13 inches and over the Crony full house load are within a 100 fps of my 94ae Winchester 20 inchs so i expect the Rossi to give us around 1675 fps with the 240 grainers, it will be a stopper.... JP

 

[Foxer]

On the other hand my friend shoot and reload 44 mag for is Contender 13 inches and over the Crony full house load are within a 100 fps of my 94ae Winchester 20 inchs so i expect the Rossi to give us around 1675 fps with the 240 grainers, it will be a stopper.... JP

That's about what i've been able to figure out as well. I was expecting somewhere around 1650 with a load of h110 and a 240 grain bullet.

That should give around 1450 ft/lbs at the barrel, and if sighted in for 2.25 inches at 100 yards that means bang on at 130 and about a 6.88 inch drop at 175, with still more than enough horsepower to kill a deer quite dead.

Obviously 175 yards is asking a little much accuracy wise with the short stock but - it is interesting for those wishing to put a full stock on it and decent optics. And obviously the gun will shoot plenty flat enough and hit hard enough for those wishing to use it at what would normally be considered pistol ranges with the mares leg stock.

 

[caramel]

On ours test bullets on the Contender 13 inches, we used litl'guns powder actually i think with the 240 grainers litl'gun give us an extra 50 fps.... 110 and 296 where a tad slower... JP