Updates on Modern hunter Rifle March 18 2015

If everyone knows that everything here takes so long, why don't companies over exaggerate time frames and then if things do fall together nicely they end up looking better instead of agrivating people.....
 
I have been following this rifle a bit, I do not have an order in though. Frankly I don't know why you guys even decided to build it. Canadian gun owners are the biggest a#$holes around from what I have seen on here. They want everything instantly and very cheap. Just check out the threads regarding the new .50 Beowulf mags that are coming in. If the one retailer doesn't come within pennies of another one in price, they are shunned and treated like crap. If you don't like the price, move on and shop somewhere else.

There is my rant for the day. Keep up the good fight guys, looks like your making an awesome rifle and it really is a service to the Canadian gun community.
 
I'm not surprised at all by behavior of the public at all... I own a retail parts store, and the level of stupidity that my employees deal with on a daily basis is unreal. Now don't get me wrong, if we have 99 customers walk in the door, 96 of them are spot on. I have very loyal customers who are in my shop daily and we have an excellent rapport with all of them. But the other 3 knuckle heads we get each day, more than make up for the other end of the spectrum. It really amazes me that some of them have made it this far in life... If they were alive 100 years ago, someone would surely have ended their daily theft of oxygen.

I actually had one customer state (with a straight face), that he was going to get a lawyer and take action against me and my supplier because his wrenches were back ordered. He ordered a set of standard SAE open ended wrenches ($89.99) with a bonus set of the matching stubbies for free.... and the they were sold out of the bonus set. He had to wait till the next shipment. It was going to be 3-4 weeks, but they were free, who cares!!!!!! Anyway, to avoid any legal action, I took a set of another similar brand and donated them to his anxious hands. I mean, the $30.00 it cost me was an easy fix compared to the months of litigation I was facing for not delivering his free stubbies on time. And this was a local mechanic who has been coming to the store for years.

So I agree with the other members.... if they get snippy or ignorant, cancel the order. Sure they'll get snippy about that as well and you'll loose a customer, but its the kind of customer you can afford to loose.

Really, all your doing it making room for a better class of customer. Hopefully one who wont grab a pitch fork every time they don't get a clover leaf at 100 yards.

Good on you guys for making such an amazing product for the Canadian shooters and I cant wait to put one of these awesome firearms in my hands.
 
Dr. Hunter said:
So sometime in April? If someone has a complete gun will you ship it out even if the first few before it are not able to be completed due to missing parts or are you going to be strict on following the order?
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Yes. We have more stainless barrels so far than CFW barrels in stock currently, so they will be shipped first simply based on what we have in stock at the moment. There are a ton more CFW barrels being shipped in the next week, so assuming no more CBSA BS, things should start to progress quickly .
Some folks ordered their rifles with a CeraKote finish and some of these may take longer, all things being equal, simply as more time is required to prep and coat the parts but I do not think this will make any sort of significant delay. We told these folks that theirs would take longer when they were ordered.
 
The first Tesla cars were delivered late and customers were told they would have to pay extra to even get the cars that were behind schedule. Now look were they are, Mr.musk even had a spot on the Simpsons.
 
I started this thread to try and keep everyone in the loop as to our progress and to try and cut down on the number of inquiries we are getting.
It was not my intent to vent on the frustrations a VERY few have generated, but it is certainly nice to hear that most guys feel as I do that the few are being unreasonable.

"If everyone knows that everything here takes so long, why don't companies over exaggerate time frames and then if things do fall together nicely they end up looking better instead of agrivating people...."
We purposefully added 1 month to our hopeful delivery time with this exact thought in mind. It seems we should have added a buffer of 3 months in order to come out as hero's.
 
Should imagine that customers that are getting upset would be the first ones that got custom serial numbers. How could ATRS cancel orders, when they would then be stuck with a receiver carrying this custom id?

I was one of the ones that ordered the first AIA magazines, that company went months with no updates; and the time frame was even longer.....just for a magazine....not a rifle.

Talked with the ATRS people at the Chilliwack Gun show. Was very impressed with both the product and the people. Personally i am waiting to get a modern magnum, which is after the initial 308 family Modern Hunter, and the next version in 223...Modern Varmiter.
 
You guys went out on a limb to bring this rifle to market and get the non restricted frt. You guys are already heroes in the industry, just keep up the great work.
 
Awesome, I think the rifle I ordered had easy to obtain parts and I think I was in the middle of the pack. I'm looking forward to shooting it.
 
Cant wait for the first guy mag dumping norc ammo from the hip with an NC star laser to come here raging about how it wasnt 0.25moa accurate.
 
Just ordered mine for production run #3! I would like to thank all the staff at ATRS for this amazing new product.

As for the delays, i MUCH prefer delays and having a top notch rifle than having a botched rifle in the time frame.

JP
 
Lame. Not gonna lie. This production seems a little slow. I think Rick should consider more shop space, machines, and machinists. Once the first batch is delivered, there is a lead time of 9 months!? At that rate the number of orders that will be placed with ATRS after batch one being in the wild for 2-3 months will put lead times up to 3 years or better is my guess.

Im not hating, and I get the idea 10 men (or how ever many work there) can only do so much, but then hire more men! Its a huge shame to have this NR FRT and not be able to capitalize on it while its here, there is no registry, and the CPC are here... for now.

I want to order, but if our laws or regs change for the woarse, I won't want it anymore and it will be a bad investment.
 
By my understanding when I visited, they've already got a fairly substantial number of machines for a smaller shop, which is already a huge financial undertaking. When you consider a decent mill and the salary for an operator is easily north of a quarter of a million dollars, it's not always as simple as cutting a cheque.
 
onetwentyish said:
Lame. Not gonna lie. This production seems a little slow. I think Rick should consider more shop space, machines, and machinists. Once the first batch is delivered, there is a lead time of 9 months!? At that rate the number of orders that will be placed with ATRS after batch one being in the wild for 2-3 months will put lead times up to 3 years or better is my guess.

Im not hating, and I get the idea 10 men (or how ever many work there) can only do so much, but then hire more men! Its a huge shame to have this NR FRT and not be able to capitalize on it while its here, there is no registry, and the CPC are here... for now.

I want to order, but if our laws or regs change for the woarse, I won't want it anymore and it will be a bad investment.
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Then you should have gotten in on the first run!
 
onetwentyish said:
Lame. Not gonna lie. This production seems a little slow. I think Rick should consider more shop space, machines, and machinists. Once the first batch is delivered, there is a lead time of 9 months!? At that rate the number of orders that will be placed with ATRS after batch one being in the wild for 2-3 months will put lead times up to 3 years or better is my guess.

Im not hating, and I get the idea 10 men (or how ever many work there) can only do so much, but then hire more men! Its a huge shame to have this NR FRT and not be able to capitalize on it while its here, there is no registry, and the CPC are here... for now.

I want to order, but if our laws or regs change for the woarse, I won't want it anymore and it will be a bad investment.
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There are some risks associated with your suggestion, namely quality... Expanding too fast can be reckless. We are always reviewing our processes and procedures, but to maintain the quality that we've built our name upon we are keeping these in batches of approximately 100.

The 2nd production run is still on course for June/July delivery dates.

The 3rd production run is expected for December/January delivery.
 
6MT said:
Then you should have gotten in on the first run!
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Funds were not there, interest was minimal, and I had yet to see one for myself. I was planning on consualting Rick at the Easter show about the build, and options, as this is all new to me. Now I am skeptical if I will even bother. Might just be quiker for one to turn up on the ee, or if I wait longer than 3 months to place an order, it might be quiker to get an Desert Tech MDR.
 
onetwentyish said:
Funds were not there, interest was minimal, and I had yet to see one for myself. I was planning on consualting Rick at the Easter show about the build, and options, as this is all new to me. Now I am skeptical if I will even bother. Might just be quiker for one to turn up on the ee, or if I wait longer than 3 months to place an order, it might be quiker to get an Desert Tech MDR.
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If the oil industry doesn't recover by Christmas, you might very well run across 1 or 2 of these first-run MH's on the EE at that time! I would hang on to my money & do the wait & see thing; you never know...
 
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