uphill/downhill shooting for dummies please!!

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Hey CGN!

I found a spot that I can shot up to 700yds but I have to shoot up hill. I dont whats the angle yet but ill try to find out(dont really know how!)
Anyways I was wondering if someone could explain to me with easy wording how to calcutate my moa adjustment.

Thank You!
Guillaume
 
You can measure the angle of the slope with an inclinometer. Most good quality mirror compasses will have one for slope correction purposes eg Silva Ranger 15 TDCL.

For best results use a helper, know where your eye level is on him and just have him stand on the slope, shoot him at your eye level with your inclinometer.
 
I use the iSnipe app. It has an angle finder feature where you place your iPhone on the barrel while you aim. One of my gongs is 4 degree up, the other gong is 5 up.
It's a very useful tool but if you don't have an iPhone it probably won't help. ;)
 
Cos of angle times range.

example:

30 degree slope, 700 yards.

30 Cos = .866 .866 X 700 = 606.2178 Dial for 606. OK, dial for 600 but you get the idea.

Very poor advice. Is the bullet velocity at 700 yards the same as 600 yards? The cosine result is often further off than no ajustment at all.
http://www.gun-blog.com/2011/11/cosine-rules-for-uphill-downhill.html
http://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?bl...editor/target=post;postID=7261067312740237750


A. J. Pejsa "Modern Practical Ballistics" Ch 12: (The Rifleman's method) "To correct for the effect of an incline, they recommend imagining that the distance to the target is reduced to its 'horizontal component' ... This is the worst possible advice, and can cause serious errors in long-range shooting on steep inclines".
 
The horizontal distance is the only thing to take into account as gravity is the same shooting uphill or down
 
COSINE OF AN ANGLE, OH GEEZE YOU NEED NOTHING AS TECHNICAL AS GRADE 10 MATH. SHOOT IT, USE REAL WORLD RESULTS, YOU'LL WIND UP AT THIS POINT ANYWAY. FOR THE GUY WITH HIS COMPUUTER IT GOES LIKE THIS. THE OLD SCHOOL RULE, " some people have curly black hair through perpetual brushing" using the first letter from each word. (sine of angle)=perpin/hypoth , (cos)=base/hypoth & finally (tang)=perpin/base Any two will give you the turd. It's a good thing all us old farts had it hammered into us or we'd need a compuuter to figure the lead on a running deer.
Take care& enjoy Bill
 
A. J. Pejsa "Modern Practical Ballistics" Ch 12: (The Rifleman's method) "To correct for the effect of an incline, they recommend imagining that the distance to the target is reduced to its 'horizontal component' ... This is the worst possible advice, and can cause serious errors in long-range shooting on steep inclines".

I have a problem with anyone who uses the phrase, "...the worst possible ..."

In this case I would suggest that the "worst possible" advice would be to tell the OP to shoot himself in the head. Or maybe to give it all up and take a chop saw to his rifle and then his shooting hand. See where I am going with this.

In your case the "worst possible" thing would only result in a miss. Even if it were a BIG miss, it would only be a miss, which is hardly in the realm of "worst possible" outcomes. If missing a long shot is the "worst possible" thing you can think of then you need to widen your horizons a wee tad I would suggest.
 
Back to the topic, the most effective simple calculation I have used that works well (without using PDA's) is:

1.) Determine range to the target
2.) Determine your bullet drop in inches/cm
3.) Measure the angle you will be shooting
4.) Multiply your bullet drop by the cosine of the angle
5.) Apply the correct adjustment for the new bullet drop information

This method is best used on a rifle that has a 100m zero. If you have zero'd out further, it is less accurate. Bryan Litz has a very accurate formula that accounts for angle shooting, but it is much more involved than the one above I gave. The one above will work in most situations very well, and is simple.

The horizontal distance is the only thing to take into account as gravity is the same shooting uphill or down

Im not being an ass here, just trying to pass on something I learned, because I used to think the same thing. Gravity does effect the bullet differently depending on whether or not it is going uphill or downhill. If a bullet is shot horizontally on a level surface, gravity's only effect on the bullet is to pull it directly downwards away from the line of sight. Now if a bullet is fired on a downhill angle, it is being pulled less from the line of sight and gravity is also helping it to maintain its speed. When fired uphill, gravity is still not pulling the bullet as far off the line of sight as horizontal shooting, and is also acting to slow the bullet down. Due to gravity not directly pulling the bullet off the line of sight, the bullet drops less over distance and this is why rounds shot at angles, are always high.
 
This is the worst possible advice, and can cause serious errors in long-range shooting on steep inclines".

If shooting out into the transonic range of the round, or shooting at extreme angles then yes, the basic formulas here are not enough. But I think the OP is more interested in a basic formula and understanding of slant angle shooting.
 
The thing about gravity is true but it's very minimal considering how much energy the bullet has. For example:


Uphill 30 degrees at 1000 yards is 500 yards of incline up which is 1500 feet. A 180gn bullet is 0.026 lbm or 0.0227kg. 1500 ft is 457 meters.

So energy is (0.0227kg)*(9.81m/s^2)*(457m) = 102 Nm or about 75 ft lbs. At 1000 yards, your typical 30 cal 180gn bullet has about 500 ft lbs of energy, so 75 is about 15% of the remaining energy. Not sure how big of a deal that would be. Remember this is a 30 degree slope at 1000 yards and with 308 type trajectory.


JBM says 374" drop for uphill and 369" drop for downhill, so a difference of 5" at 1000 yards with 308-like trajectory, which is significant if trying to make clean kills but who'd hunt that far out with a 308? Bump the MV from 2500fps to 3000fps and the difference in drop between uphill and downhill 30 degress is only 1".
 
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It takes more power to shoot a projectile uphill than down. I rode freestyle mx for years. An uphill jump (step up) you have to hit the ramp a LOT harder at the same gap than a step down. It makes a huge difference with a 400lb projectile. Lol.
 
There was an acticle in accurateshooter today regarding this:
(Xs were http) ###X://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2012/10/how-to-make-angled-shots-usamu-pro-tips-with-praslick/
 
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