US Army bans PMAGS

The ##### slap that was heard around the world!
Army officials acknowledged June 6 that TACOM’s message was poorly written and not intended as a directive on the use of PMAGs. Matthew Bourke, an Army spokesman at the Pentagon responding to questions from Mililtary.com, said the message should have included guidance that the final decision rests with commanders in the field.

“At best, the message is incomplete; at worst the message allows soldiers to jump to the wrong conclusions,” Bourke said. “Maintenance Information Messages [from TACOM] are permissive. They are not an order. They are not a directive. All content and direction in those messages are optional for the recipient.”

It’s still unclear why TACOM issued the message at this time, but sources say it might have something to do with the $10.7 million contract TACOM Rock Island awarded to Brownells Inc. in 2009 to produce 1.4 million improved magazines by January 2010.
 
How did they slander anything?

The original rumor came from the US Armed Forces. So that makes them liable as an entity. Just like if a cop says slanderous or racial things on the news, his local detachment can be sued due to third party liability. That's why if your in a company vehicle of any type of company, you can be fired for being a bad embassador to the company.
 
The original rumor came from the US Armed Forces. So that makes them liable as an entity. Just like if a cop says slanderous or racial things on the news, his local detachment can be sued due to third party liability. That's why if your in a company vehicle of any type of company, you can be fired for being a bad embassador to the company.

What rumour? This discussion is about the TACOM message and all they said was that polymer mags were not authorized, they mentioned the only two mags are authorized, the good 'ole aluminum USGI and the one with the new follower.

Nothing has changed, those are still the only two authorized mags for the army. I even re-read the original article and I didn't notice any wording from a TACOM source that said polymer mags were banned, that assumption seems to be made by the author. They're just reminding people that none of these polymer mags are authorized.
 
I spilled some that s**t on my hair brush which proceeded to dissolve:-(

I made the mistake of carrying that bug juice in the same pouch on my belt kit as a roll of electrical tape....turned it into a lump of sticky black goo in the bottom of that pouch :(
 
I made the mistake of carrying that bug juice in the same pouch on my belt kit as a roll of electrical tape....turned it into a lump of sticky black goo in the bottom of that pouch :(

Ya,
We actually used to use that stuff to put cam stick on our faces, why? Lol! I'm just thinking out loud here, but I don't remember it working so great with bugs either.

I bet I would look younger today if I didn't put that stuff on my face.
 
Ya,
We actually used to use that stuff to put cam stick on our faces, why? Lol! I'm just thinking out loud here, but I don't remember it working so great with bugs either.

I bet I would look younger today if I didn't put that stuff on my face.

Lol...yeah we did too, that stuff softened the cam stick pretty good. I always got bitten through my combat jacket, I was afraid to rub any bug juice on it for fear it would melt the clothes right off of me.
 
Just so everyone is aware - the EMag is adopted by the Uk MoD, and a few other folks.

Internal reliability tests (over the 1.86 million rounds of 5.56mm we fired in Carbines last year) over the last several years at KAC had from our T&E Manager shown an 50% plus increase in reliability with the PMAG.


Its not that the USGI Mag is bad - its more that there are many bag USGI mags floating about -- and anyone's old car is not going to perform as well as someones new car.

Look at the pictures from last years OBL hit - EMags in the Hk416's.


The PMAG is a great mag -- and in 2012 iterations pass all MILSPEC requirements.
AWG using RFI fielded thousands to the US Army.


I'm not saying the USGI mag is bad - and its a heck of a lot better than those POS Thermelt mags we got issues originally.

Secondly the Message has been willing interpreted incorrectly by many folks -- their is only 1 approved US Army M16/M4 mag - now it can have either green or the new tan (rip off) follower. This message was just a 'reiteration' of the TACOM Policy.

Kind of like those assinine CANFORGEN's that come out saying you can't use a RAS or other item. No one cares - and outside the wire your going to do what you want/need to do. It is however on your and your CoC's shoulders if your unissued gear does have and issue, or causes one.

If I had to go in harms way anymore - I'd be using PMAG's and have faith they are the best option in a M4 mag there is.
 
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