Hi, I'm trying to import an Antique from the US but the seller only ships to the US, can anyone recommend a reliable third party who I could have receive it and then ship it to me from there? Irunguns charges way too much for this service for an antique.
US Dealer to import US Antiques
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A lot of smaller dealers/sellers in the USA are no longer shipping antiques to Canada because of the hassle. Apparently some US customs agents are being very strict in their interpretation of newer firearm dealer and export rules brought in by Obama through his new executive actions at the start of 2016.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/obama-expands-gun-controls-in-executive-moves-1452012973
I had a guy who would buy old antique parts guns and complete antique guns from Europe dealers and from gunshows in the USA and resell in North America including Canada until DHS paid him a visit and put a end to it unless he paid up and got a expensive export dealer licence and ITAR permits for all his exports to Canada.
They threatened him with prosecution and loss of his FFL (federal firearms licence) if he exported again to Canada without first becoming a licensed dealer/exporter and filling out a AES notice of DDTC/ATF antique firearm exemption even if it was for a exempt antique only export.
This is what they told him - he must provide proof of manufacture before 1899 of the antique firearm he was exporting. This was to include information about the specific make / model of the firearm, but doesn’t need to be actual factory records. This “ITAR antique exemption” can only be used and claimed as a DDTC Registered Exporter, as the Registered Exporter, he must still file documentation online (using the Automated Export System, or AES) to notify the government he is using this exemption, including the item description, tariff code, value, weight, date of export and Port of Exit.
https://help.cbp.gov/app/answers/de...rm,-gun,-handgun,-rifle,-shotgun,-pistol,-etc.
I'm not sure if all this still would apply if it is a private one off sale and export but if someone is found out to be doing this for profit and making regular sales and exports they will need to get registered and fill out the ITAR antique exemption paperwork.
Even though antiques are exempt from US firearm export controls they still demand paperwork to prove it's exemption or else they will refuse export and it can be seized even though they are exempt, you must still file in the AES to get this exemption.
The USA Customs and state dept told him that all dealer antique firearms exported still need to be filed with the AES ie Automated export system. Even though ITAR 123 exempts antique firearms you need to be a USA citizen to file in the AES for that exemption. If you read ITAR 123 its still exempts antiques but HLS is saying you still must file in the AES for the exemption, AES has always has been in effect, they just never enforced it strictly before.
He told me he does not need the hassle or cost for the dozen or so sales he does a year to Canada so he now refuses to sell or ship anything to Canada.
Here is a link from another forum that mentions similar issues -
http://w ww.assra.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1427652789
http://www.wsj.com/articles/obama-expands-gun-controls-in-executive-moves-1452012973
I had a guy who would buy old antique parts guns and complete antique guns from Europe dealers and from gunshows in the USA and resell in North America including Canada until DHS paid him a visit and put a end to it unless he paid up and got a expensive export dealer licence and ITAR permits for all his exports to Canada.
They threatened him with prosecution and loss of his FFL (federal firearms licence) if he exported again to Canada without first becoming a licensed dealer/exporter and filling out a AES notice of DDTC/ATF antique firearm exemption even if it was for a exempt antique only export.
This is what they told him - he must provide proof of manufacture before 1899 of the antique firearm he was exporting. This was to include information about the specific make / model of the firearm, but doesn’t need to be actual factory records. This “ITAR antique exemption” can only be used and claimed as a DDTC Registered Exporter, as the Registered Exporter, he must still file documentation online (using the Automated Export System, or AES) to notify the government he is using this exemption, including the item description, tariff code, value, weight, date of export and Port of Exit.
https://help.cbp.gov/app/answers/de...rm,-gun,-handgun,-rifle,-shotgun,-pistol,-etc.
I'm not sure if all this still would apply if it is a private one off sale and export but if someone is found out to be doing this for profit and making regular sales and exports they will need to get registered and fill out the ITAR antique exemption paperwork.
Even though antiques are exempt from US firearm export controls they still demand paperwork to prove it's exemption or else they will refuse export and it can be seized even though they are exempt, you must still file in the AES to get this exemption.
The USA Customs and state dept told him that all dealer antique firearms exported still need to be filed with the AES ie Automated export system. Even though ITAR 123 exempts antique firearms you need to be a USA citizen to file in the AES for that exemption. If you read ITAR 123 its still exempts antiques but HLS is saying you still must file in the AES for the exemption, AES has always has been in effect, they just never enforced it strictly before.
He told me he does not need the hassle or cost for the dozen or so sales he does a year to Canada so he now refuses to sell or ship anything to Canada.
Here is a link from another forum that mentions similar issues -
http://w ww.assra.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1427652789
The IMPORT half of the equation (the Canadian customs) should be fine, but how does this work on the EXPORT (the US side) now that they seem to have tightened things up?
Is a land export by yourself treated any different than a mail-order export?
I haven't done either a mail-order or drive-across for an antique, but am interested in getting something.
I would think a walk across export is fine as long as you are not a US FFL dealer doing it on a regular basis. The US DHS and US Customs seem more concerned with clamping down on the commercial sale and export of antique firearms by FFL dealers than on the occasional private sale and export.
