US F-class National Championships in Sacramento
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Mystic Precision
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Still don't understand. would a match have first to third for each shooting class in each category (open or TR_)?
I ask because that was the method in Silhouette where shooters were groups based on their score/skill. There was obviously an overall match winner but each class got prizes based on the number of participants.
So a novice shooter would 'compete' against other similar skilled shooters. made for a whole lot more prizes but it did go over well with the competitors.
Is this the same thing?
Or is it a kind of ranking based on past performance and not a handicapp system at all.
Jerry
I ask because that was the method in Silhouette where shooters were groups based on their score/skill. There was obviously an overall match winner but each class got prizes based on the number of participants.
So a novice shooter would 'compete' against other similar skilled shooters. made for a whole lot more prizes but it did go over well with the competitors.
Is this the same thing?
Or is it a kind of ranking based on past performance and not a handicapp system at all.
Jerry
Got this on the email today
Posted Today, 07:29 PM
F Class National Match Rankings for 2010
1. DEREK RODGERS 1330 57
2. KEN DICKERMAN 1325 57
3. DANNY BIGGS 1324 67
4. JEFF COCHRAN 1324 48
5. JEFF TRAYLOR 1323 51
6. RICK JENSEN 1323 49
7. CHARLES BALLARD 1323 43
8. GERALD TIERNEY 1323 42
9. DON NAGEL 1322 42
10. LARRY BARTHOLOME 1321 51
11. SHIRAZ BALOLIA 1320 49
12. DEAN MORRIS 1318 57
13. DAVID GOSNELL 1318 51
14. DAVID MANN 1318 47
15. JIM FOWLER 1313 46
16. PETER WHITE 1312 46
17. BRET SOLOMON 1311 37
18. GARY CHILDS 1310 31
19. JOHN BREWER 1309 45
20. EARL LIEBETRAU 1309 43
21. ROBERT MEAD 1306 39
22. WALTER LANGE 1302 44
23. LANE BUXTON 1302 42
24. BRENDA HILL 1302 31
25. OTEY BRYAN 1302 38
26. LARRY TAITE 1301 39
27. JIM MURPHY 1301 37
28. EMIL KOVAN 1300 40
29. GEORGE GARDNER 1299 37
30. KENNY ADAMS 1298 35
31. ROBERT BOCK 1298 33
32. THOMAS PRICE 1298 31
33. JOHN CAMPBELL 1298 27
34. HERB EDWARDS 1297 46
35. ROBERT LACH 1297 36
36. STEVE ZOCK 1296 27
37. CHRIS CUTHBERT 1295 39
38. STEVE LOCKWOOD 1295 35
39. MATTHEW OWENS 1294 44
40. ERIC KEYES 1293 38
41. JOHN HAYHURST 1293 37
42. JEFFREY RORER 1293 28
43. NANCY TOMPKINS 1292 34
44. GLEN TAYLOR 1289 42
45. RICHARD DREGER 1289 40
46. MICHELLE GALLAGER 1289 33
47. ANDY AMBER 1288 39
48. ROBERT HOPPE 1288 36
49. DAVID BAILEY 1288 34
50. LOU MURDICA 1288 33
51. DARREN SUCATO 1288 24
52. RICHARD CURTIS 1287 39
53. JOHN GAINES 1287 37
54. TED CONWAY 1285 38
55. JACK MCCANN 1285 32
56. KEITH SKJERDAL 1283 31
57. WARREN DEAN 1282 28
58. ANTHONY DUNNE 1280 37
59. STEVE GERACI 1280 29
60. PETER CHURCH 1279 31
61. WALLY LAURSEN 1279 28
62. GARY GAGLIANO 1278 22
63. GARY RASMUSSEN 1277 31
64. PHILIP KELLEY 1276 24
65. DAVID SMITH 1275 25
66. TERRY PERKINS 1275 28
67. JOE LINEHAN 1275 24
68. MIKE MILLER 1274 30
69. MARK ANTARAMIAN 1274 19
70. RON HERMS 1273 35
71. KARIN LIEBETRAU 1273 27
72. DEL HEWARD 1273 21
73. PAOLO DONISI 1272 31
74. MONTE MILANUK 1271 28
75. JOHN CHILTON 1271 22
76. THOMAS MANNERS 1271 22
77. BRUCE CONDIE 1268 30
78. IAN KELBLY 1268 28
79. STAN PATE 1266 27
80. CHRIS OZOLINS 1262 17
81. JEFFREY CALHOON 1261 25
82. WILLIAM LAIR 1259 17
83. JOHN WEIL 1258 41
84. TOM MCCREA 1258 20
85. DAVID CAUDLE 1255 22
86. LUIS BERNARDEZ 1250 12
87. TIM REYES 1248 21
88. ROBERT CALLENIUS 1247 25
89. MARK S. PHARR 1245 18
90. JOHN HOMATAS 1244 24
91. LES DOLHUN 1243 21
92. TOM FRIPP 1229 31
93. BOB CAREY 1224 25
94. MIKE SMITH 1224 14
95. STAN RODGERS 1220 20
96. MASON PARKER 1212 19
97. NICK YOUNG 1208 11
98. SCOTT FLECK 1207 27
99. ABE KLAVAN 1205 14
100.C.C. JONES 1202 23
101.ERIC KENNARD 1201 15
102.MARTIN LEONARD 1186 14
103.DARCY SPENST 1185 30
104.RANDY PIKE 1179 18
105.DENNIS GREEN 1171 13
106.GARY ATKINSON 1168 10
107.JACK ROOKAIRD 1147 10
108.ERIC BISSON 1118 26
109.ERIC JOHNSON 1117 25
110.JOSEPH DUGAN 1058 1
111.DARRELL BUELL 0964 12
112.DAVID KERLEY 0826 10
113.MARC SOULIE 0817 9
114.GREG WAHLMETER 0788 7
115.JOE MELIA 0742 6
Jerry Tierney P.R.CA
Posted Today, 07:29 PM
F Class National Match Rankings for 2010
1. DEREK RODGERS 1330 57
2. KEN DICKERMAN 1325 57
3. DANNY BIGGS 1324 67
4. JEFF COCHRAN 1324 48
5. JEFF TRAYLOR 1323 51
6. RICK JENSEN 1323 49
7. CHARLES BALLARD 1323 43
8. GERALD TIERNEY 1323 42
9. DON NAGEL 1322 42
10. LARRY BARTHOLOME 1321 51
11. SHIRAZ BALOLIA 1320 49
12. DEAN MORRIS 1318 57
13. DAVID GOSNELL 1318 51
14. DAVID MANN 1318 47
15. JIM FOWLER 1313 46
16. PETER WHITE 1312 46
17. BRET SOLOMON 1311 37
18. GARY CHILDS 1310 31
19. JOHN BREWER 1309 45
20. EARL LIEBETRAU 1309 43
21. ROBERT MEAD 1306 39
22. WALTER LANGE 1302 44
23. LANE BUXTON 1302 42
24. BRENDA HILL 1302 31
25. OTEY BRYAN 1302 38
26. LARRY TAITE 1301 39
27. JIM MURPHY 1301 37
28. EMIL KOVAN 1300 40
29. GEORGE GARDNER 1299 37
30. KENNY ADAMS 1298 35
31. ROBERT BOCK 1298 33
32. THOMAS PRICE 1298 31
33. JOHN CAMPBELL 1298 27
34. HERB EDWARDS 1297 46
35. ROBERT LACH 1297 36
36. STEVE ZOCK 1296 27
37. CHRIS CUTHBERT 1295 39
38. STEVE LOCKWOOD 1295 35
39. MATTHEW OWENS 1294 44
40. ERIC KEYES 1293 38
41. JOHN HAYHURST 1293 37
42. JEFFREY RORER 1293 28
43. NANCY TOMPKINS 1292 34
44. GLEN TAYLOR 1289 42
45. RICHARD DREGER 1289 40
46. MICHELLE GALLAGER 1289 33
47. ANDY AMBER 1288 39
48. ROBERT HOPPE 1288 36
49. DAVID BAILEY 1288 34
50. LOU MURDICA 1288 33
51. DARREN SUCATO 1288 24
52. RICHARD CURTIS 1287 39
53. JOHN GAINES 1287 37
54. TED CONWAY 1285 38
55. JACK MCCANN 1285 32
56. KEITH SKJERDAL 1283 31
57. WARREN DEAN 1282 28
58. ANTHONY DUNNE 1280 37
59. STEVE GERACI 1280 29
60. PETER CHURCH 1279 31
61. WALLY LAURSEN 1279 28
62. GARY GAGLIANO 1278 22
63. GARY RASMUSSEN 1277 31
64. PHILIP KELLEY 1276 24
65. DAVID SMITH 1275 25
66. TERRY PERKINS 1275 28
67. JOE LINEHAN 1275 24
68. MIKE MILLER 1274 30
69. MARK ANTARAMIAN 1274 19
70. RON HERMS 1273 35
71. KARIN LIEBETRAU 1273 27
72. DEL HEWARD 1273 21
73. PAOLO DONISI 1272 31
74. MONTE MILANUK 1271 28
75. JOHN CHILTON 1271 22
76. THOMAS MANNERS 1271 22
77. BRUCE CONDIE 1268 30
78. IAN KELBLY 1268 28
79. STAN PATE 1266 27
80. CHRIS OZOLINS 1262 17
81. JEFFREY CALHOON 1261 25
82. WILLIAM LAIR 1259 17
83. JOHN WEIL 1258 41
84. TOM MCCREA 1258 20
85. DAVID CAUDLE 1255 22
86. LUIS BERNARDEZ 1250 12
87. TIM REYES 1248 21
88. ROBERT CALLENIUS 1247 25
89. MARK S. PHARR 1245 18
90. JOHN HOMATAS 1244 24
91. LES DOLHUN 1243 21
92. TOM FRIPP 1229 31
93. BOB CAREY 1224 25
94. MIKE SMITH 1224 14
95. STAN RODGERS 1220 20
96. MASON PARKER 1212 19
97. NICK YOUNG 1208 11
98. SCOTT FLECK 1207 27
99. ABE KLAVAN 1205 14
100.C.C. JONES 1202 23
101.ERIC KENNARD 1201 15
102.MARTIN LEONARD 1186 14
103.DARCY SPENST 1185 30
104.RANDY PIKE 1179 18
105.DENNIS GREEN 1171 13
106.GARY ATKINSON 1168 10
107.JACK ROOKAIRD 1147 10
108.ERIC BISSON 1118 26
109.ERIC JOHNSON 1117 25
110.JOSEPH DUGAN 1058 1
111.DARRELL BUELL 0964 12
112.DAVID KERLEY 0826 10
113.MARC SOULIE 0817 9
114.GREG WAHLMETER 0788 7
115.JOE MELIA 0742 6
Jerry Tierney P.R.CA
rnbra-shooter
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Jerry there are two F-Classes - F/Open, and F/TR. The difference is determined by equipment, not shooter skill (F/TR is restricted to .223 Rem or .308 Win). Each would have its own prize list.
There is also the possibility of classifying shooters based on their skill/performance. The idea is a well intentioned one, though it can be abused (by the "sandbagging" reference above it sounds like perhaps this happened at the US-FCNC?), but even if it isn't abused there still are shortcomings (for another post, sometime, I might explain why I think that classification systems are bound to nearly always fail to achieve their goals).
Shooter classifications are things like "Master, Expert, Sharpshooter" - that is what we use in Canadian TR (iron sight shooting), we don't at this time use a shooter classification system in F-Class. In the USA they add an additional classification at the high end, "High Master". Sometimes "Marksman" is used as another class on the lowest end. For whatever reasons most US shooters take a great deal of pride in their classification, seeing it as an earned accomplishment.
I'm not aware of a points handicapping system being used in shooting. I am not sure how that would (or wouldn't) work in practice.
The Aussies also have a system in addition to the above in which they place shooters into three equal-sized "Divisions" (A,B,C) at each match, which is probably worth looking into. The Aussies have a *lot* of fullbore shooters (about 6000 nationwide), and maintain an online database of shooters' scores and rankings on the NRAA website.
There is also the possibility of classifying shooters based on their skill/performance. The idea is a well intentioned one, though it can be abused (by the "sandbagging" reference above it sounds like perhaps this happened at the US-FCNC?), but even if it isn't abused there still are shortcomings (for another post, sometime, I might explain why I think that classification systems are bound to nearly always fail to achieve their goals).
Shooter classifications are things like "Master, Expert, Sharpshooter" - that is what we use in Canadian TR (iron sight shooting), we don't at this time use a shooter classification system in F-Class. In the USA they add an additional classification at the high end, "High Master". Sometimes "Marksman" is used as another class on the lowest end. For whatever reasons most US shooters take a great deal of pride in their classification, seeing it as an earned accomplishment.
I'm not aware of a points handicapping system being used in shooting. I am not sure how that would (or wouldn't) work in practice.
The Aussies also have a system in addition to the above in which they place shooters into three equal-sized "Divisions" (A,B,C) at each match, which is probably worth looking into. The Aussies have a *lot* of fullbore shooters (about 6000 nationwide), and maintain an online database of shooters' scores and rankings on the NRAA website.
Mystic Precision
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Daniel, if not to offer some form of handicapp system or a division of prizes, why bother?
Yes, I too see alot of enthusiasm to reach a certain ranking. Something to work towards which is very positive but if a Sportsmans is not handicapped to a High Master, then they are simply shooting within their own group, until they get better and move up.
I was hoping that we would have a system similar to golf where you have a gross and net score. Then each class would be given a ratio to improve their score so after an adjustment, a novice having a great match could do well on a net score basis vs a high master.
Theoretically, a novice playing to their handicapp or better can tie or beat a top ranking player having a bad day.
I feel that is a huge incentive as has shown in golf. Rankings are adjusted based on ongoing match results as they are now.
It is a simple math algorithm that can be decided by the shooting body and added to the scoring spreadsheet. Hit enter and a new set of net scores are listed.
For most of the matches I will attend, the number of shooters doesn't warrant this complication but it seems that in the US or on a national basis, could be alot of fun.
Jerry
Yes, I too see alot of enthusiasm to reach a certain ranking. Something to work towards which is very positive but if a Sportsmans is not handicapped to a High Master, then they are simply shooting within their own group, until they get better and move up.
I was hoping that we would have a system similar to golf where you have a gross and net score. Then each class would be given a ratio to improve their score so after an adjustment, a novice having a great match could do well on a net score basis vs a high master.
Theoretically, a novice playing to their handicapp or better can tie or beat a top ranking player having a bad day.
I feel that is a huge incentive as has shown in golf. Rankings are adjusted based on ongoing match results as they are now.
It is a simple math algorithm that can be decided by the shooting body and added to the scoring spreadsheet. Hit enter and a new set of net scores are listed.
For most of the matches I will attend, the number of shooters doesn't warrant this complication but it seems that in the US or on a national basis, could be alot of fun.
Jerry
Thanks for the post Glen and congrats on a fine finish in what I hear was some crazy conditions.I've been trying to get this list sorted out from all the result pages.
Got a favour to ask. Can you go through the list and highlite the Canadian shooters in red or something .
Great pic of you and the "pertner" on the web .
Thanks
Gord
Got a favour to ask. Can you go through the list and highlite the Canadian shooters in red or something .
Great pic of you and the "pertner" on the web .
Thanks
Gord
rnbra-shooter
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Ordinarily that is what is done; apparently at the FCNC this was not done (I get the impression that the match organizers discovered that the the classification system had been corrupted by people intentionally getting themselves in a lower classification than they should be in).
Ordinarily, the top placings in a match are open to being won by anybody (though in most cases they would probably end up being won by Masters). In addition to these "open" prizes, there are a number of "reserved" prizes too (e.g. 1st 2nd and 3rd place in Expert Class, 1st 2nd 3rd in Sharpshooter Class, etc).
I'm not familiar with how handicapping is done in golf, but we do have that as evidence of some system that seems to work well for them.
Perhaps further discussion of this should be done in a thread of its own? (if you start one, let me know and I'll join you there).
rnbra-shooter
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I'm looking forward to hearing reports from Glen, Terry, Keith etc, but just based on reading the results it looks to me like the conditions must have been pretty darn hard (possibly even with "unfair relays" too?), and also there must have been an awful lot of very good shooters there. In looking through the standings I saw a lot of people whose names I recognize and who I know to be fantastic shooters - and they were spread all through the results list, from top to middle to bottom.
Kodiak99317
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Just the Cdn scores from the US FClass Nationals in Sac...
As always, we had a ball down there. With Don Nagel, Ian Kelbly and Scott Fleck in a room two doors down from Glen and my room, and Tom Fripp above us on the 2nd floor, and Les Dolhun was over in the new wing of the hotel, we had many a joke telling party in the parking lot.
In total, we had 10 Canucks down for this match, 8 in Open and 2 in FTR
................600... 1000.. 1000..3 day Total
TERRY PERKINS. 434 15 418 04 423 09 1275 28
DARCY SPENST.. 442 16 381 06 362 08 1185 30
GLEN TAYLOR... 422 14 435 14 432 14 1289 42
RICHARD DREGER 440 19 421 12 428 09 1289 40
KEITH SKJERDAL 438 12 422 11 423 08 1283 31
BRUCE CONDIE.. 429 13 415 08 424 09 1268 30
TOM MCCREA.... 428 09 414 07 416 04 1258 20
LES DOLHUN.... 418 06 405 06 420 09 1243 21
TOM FRIPP..... 429 08 371 07 429 16 1229 31
ERIC BISSON... 433 13 400 07 285 06 1118 26
Speaking of matches, you guys will have to get your filled out entry forms in to Les asap if we are going to have this new Western Regional match working. He still does not have enough shooters comitted to this to get it going!! Come on you slow to commit, get 'em in!
As always, we had a ball down there. With Don Nagel, Ian Kelbly and Scott Fleck in a room two doors down from Glen and my room, and Tom Fripp above us on the 2nd floor, and Les Dolhun was over in the new wing of the hotel, we had many a joke telling party in the parking lot.
In total, we had 10 Canucks down for this match, 8 in Open and 2 in FTR
................600... 1000.. 1000..3 day Total
TERRY PERKINS. 434 15 418 04 423 09 1275 28
DARCY SPENST.. 442 16 381 06 362 08 1185 30
GLEN TAYLOR... 422 14 435 14 432 14 1289 42
RICHARD DREGER 440 19 421 12 428 09 1289 40
KEITH SKJERDAL 438 12 422 11 423 08 1283 31
BRUCE CONDIE.. 429 13 415 08 424 09 1268 30
TOM MCCREA.... 428 09 414 07 416 04 1258 20
LES DOLHUN.... 418 06 405 06 420 09 1243 21
TOM FRIPP..... 429 08 371 07 429 16 1229 31
ERIC BISSON... 433 13 400 07 285 06 1118 26
Speaking of matches, you guys will have to get your filled out entry forms in to Les asap if we are going to have this new Western Regional match working. He still does not have enough shooters comitted to this to get it going!! Come on you slow to commit, get 'em in!
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Thanks Keith,
In view of the Great Canadian showing I really think someone needs to change the frowning face on the OP to something more appropriate.
Just found this one but I think these would be better
Hope to see you all on the mounds this summer.
Gord
In view of the Great Canadian showing I really think someone needs to change the frowning face on the OP to something more appropriate.
Just found this one but I think these would be better
Hope to see you all on the mounds this summer.
Gord
Kodiak99317
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FCNAT2010OPEN - with scores and caliber2
. . . .DANNY BIGGS.. 446 23 437 23 441 21 1324 67 BRONZE
. . . .JEFF COCHRAN. 446 22 439 11 439 15 1324 48 4TH OVERALL
. . . .JEFF TRAYLOR. 446 22 435 13 442 16 1323 51 5TH OVERALL
. . . .RICK JENSEN.. 447 18 437 17 439 14 1323 49 6TH OVERALL
HIGH MASTER - OPEN MATCH - 4 MATCH - 8 MATCH - 12 MATCH - 13
KEN DICKERMAN . .447 21 438 15 440 21 1325 57 6.5 - 284
DANNY BIGGS . . .446 23 437 23 441 21 1324 67 284
JEFF COCHRAN . . 446 22 439 11 439 15 1324 48 280
JEFF TRAYLOR. . .446 22 435 13 442 16 1323 51 280
RICK JENSEN . . .447 18 437 17 439 14 1323 49 6.5 - 284
CHARLES BALLARD .447 22 439 12 437 09 1323 43 284
DON NAGEL . . . .446 18 439 13 437 11 1322 42 6.5 - 284
LARRY BARTHOLOME 448 27 443 14 430 10 1321 51 6.5 - 284
SHIRAZ BALOLIA . 446 21 443 16 431 12 1320 49 6.5 - 284
DEAN MORRIS . . .446 27 434 18 438 12 1318 57 6.5 - 284
DAVID GOSNELL . .446 27 434 12 438 12 1318 51 6.5 - 284
DAVID MANN . . . 441 20 438 14 439 13 1318 47 6.5–300 SAUM
JIM FOWLER . . . 446 19 439 18 428 09 1313 46 6.5 - 284
PETER WHITE . . .447 23 437 11 428 12 1312 46 6 BRX
BRET SOLOMON . . 443 21 432 05 436 11 1311 37 300 WM
GARY CHILDS . . .446 17 434 09 430 05 1310 31 6.5 - 284
JOHN BREWER . . .441 22 437 15 431 08 1309 45 6.5 - 284
EARL LIEBETRAU . 444 19 433 13 432 11 1309 43 284
ROBERT MEAD . . .443 25 434 10 429 04 1306 39 6.5 - 284
WALTER LANGE . . 446 23 431 16 425 05 1302 44 ????
OTEY BRYAN . . . 440 14 429 10 433 14 1302 38 6.5 - 284
JIM MURPHY . . . 438 17 428 09 435 11 1301 37 6.5 - 284
KENNY ADAMS . . .439 16 425 08 434 11 1298 35 6.5 - 284
ROBERT BOCK . . .446 23 425 03 427 07 1298 33 6.5 - 284
JOHN CAMPBELL . .439 13 428 06 431 08 1298 27 ????
MATTHEW OWENS . .445 22 417 11 432 11 1294 44 6.5 - 284
ROBERT HOPPE . . 441 20 428 07 419 09 1288 36 ????
LOU MURDICA . . .441 22 424 05 423 06 1288 33 6 PPC
DARREN SUCATO . .438 13 428 06 422 05 1288 24 6 BR
STEVE GERACI . . 438 15 412 05 430 09 1280 29 6.5 - 284
RON HERMS . . . .426 18 417 05 430 12 1273 35 243
MASTER - OPEN MATCH - 4 MATCH - 8 MATCH - 12 MATCH - 13
GERALD TIERNEY . 444 15 438 11 441 16 1323 42 6.5 - 284
BRENDA HILL . . .438 12 437 12 427 07 1302 31 6.5 - 284
LARRY TAITE . . .440 13 424 10 437 16 1301 39 6.5 - 284
EMIL KOVAN . . . 444 15 433 16 423 09 1300 40 6.5 - 284
GEORGE GARDNER . 442 22 429 09 428 06 1299 37 270 WSM
THOMAS PRICE . . 436 10 428 08 434 13 1298 31 ????
HERB EDWARDS . . 439 13 423 18 435 15 1297 46 6.5 - 284
STEVE ZOCK . . . 439 11 424 07 433 09 1296 27 6.5 - 284
NANCY TOMPKINS . 440 17 424 07 428 10 1292 34 6.5 - 284
RICHARD DREGER . 440 19 421 12 428 09 1289 40 7-08
ANDY AMBER . . . 440 19 418 08 430 12 1288 39 6.5 - 284
DAVID BAILEY . . 443 19 419 07 426 08 1288 34 6.5 - 284
RICHARD CURTIS . 437 16 422 14 428 09 1287 39 6.5 - 284
TED CONWAY . . . 443 21 420 08 422 09 1285 38 6.5 - 284
KEITH SKJERDAL . 438 12 422 11 423 08 1283 31 6-250
ANTHONY DUNNE . .427 11 429 16 424 10 1280 37 7 WSM
GARY GAGLIANO . .428 04 421 10 429 08 1278 22 ????
JOE LINEHAN . . .439 14 418 07 418 03 1275 24 7 WSM
MARK ANTARAMIAN .438 10 422 05 414 04 1274 19 6 BR
KARIN LIEBETRAU .433 10 423 07 417 10 1273 27 22 - 250
PAOLO DONISI . . 421 15 420 05 431 11 1272 31 6 BRX
THOMAS MANNERS . 435 11 419 06 417 05 1271 22 6.5 - 284
TOM MCCREA . . . 428 09 414 07 416 04 1258 20 6 XC
DAVID CAUDLE . . 434 13 404 05 417 04 1255 22 6 BR
LES DOLHUN . . . 418 06 405 06 420 09 1243 21 6.5-300WSM
TOM FRIPP . . . .429 08 371 07 429 16 1229 31 6 BR
ERIC BISSON . . .433 13 400 07 285 06 1118 26 6 BRX
JOE MELIA . . . .422 05 320 01 000 00 0742 06 7 WSM
EXPERT - OPEN MATCH - 4 MATCH - 8 MATCH - 12 MATCH - 13
CHRIS CUTHBERT . 445 21 415 07 435 11 1295 39 ????
STEVE LOCKWOOD . 438 12 424 11 433 12 1295 35 6 BR
ERIC KEYES . . . 433 19 427 07 433 12 1293 38 6.5 - 284
GLEN TAYLOR . . .422 14 435 14 432 14 1289 42 284
JACK MCCANN . . .433 14 430 10 422 08 1285 32 ????
WALLY LAURSEN . .436 13 410 06 433 09 1279 28 6 - 284
DEL HEWARD . . . 430 09 414 02 429 10 1273 21 6.5 Creedmoor
LUIS BERNARDEZ . 428 07 411 03 411 02 1250 12 243
TIM REYES . . . .422 10 405 03 421 08 1248 21 308
SCOTT FLECK . . .439 17 405 04 363 06 1207 27 6.5 - 284
ERIC KENNARD . . 428 07 370 05 403 03 1201 15 6.5 - 284
SS/MARKSMAN COMB. MATCH - 4 MATCH - 8 MATCH - 12 MATCH - 13
DEREK RODGERS . .446 24 439 13 445 20 1330 57 300 WSM
JOHN GAINES . . .442 13 416 12 429 12 1287 37 6.5 - 284
DAVID SMITH . . .433 10 411 05 431 10 1275 25 6 XC
BRUCE CONDIE . . 429 13 415 08 424 09 1268 30 6.5 - 284
IAN KELBLY . . . 440 14 426 09 402 05 1268 28 6.5 - 284
ERIC JOHNSON . . 437 16 391 02 289 07 1117 25 6 BR
SACRAMENTO VALLEY SHOOTING CENTER
F CLASS NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP 2010
25-28 MARCH – 600/1000/1000 YARDS
‘F’ OPEN
2010 ‘F’ OPEN NATIONAL CHAMPION – DEREK RODGERS 1330 57X
HIGH WOMAN – BRENDA HILL 1302 31X
HIGH SENIOR – LARRY BARTHOLOME 1321 51X
HIGH GRAND SENIOR – DANNY BIGGS 1324 67
. . . .KEN DICKERMAN 447 21 438 15 440 21 1325 57 SILVER F CLASS NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP 2010
25-28 MARCH – 600/1000/1000 YARDS
‘F’ OPEN
2010 ‘F’ OPEN NATIONAL CHAMPION – DEREK RODGERS 1330 57X
HIGH WOMAN – BRENDA HILL 1302 31X
HIGH SENIOR – LARRY BARTHOLOME 1321 51X
HIGH GRAND SENIOR – DANNY BIGGS 1324 67
. . . .DANNY BIGGS.. 446 23 437 23 441 21 1324 67 BRONZE
. . . .JEFF COCHRAN. 446 22 439 11 439 15 1324 48 4TH OVERALL
. . . .JEFF TRAYLOR. 446 22 435 13 442 16 1323 51 5TH OVERALL
. . . .RICK JENSEN.. 447 18 437 17 439 14 1323 49 6TH OVERALL
HIGH MASTER - OPEN MATCH - 4 MATCH - 8 MATCH - 12 MATCH - 13
KEN DICKERMAN . .447 21 438 15 440 21 1325 57 6.5 - 284
DANNY BIGGS . . .446 23 437 23 441 21 1324 67 284
JEFF COCHRAN . . 446 22 439 11 439 15 1324 48 280
JEFF TRAYLOR. . .446 22 435 13 442 16 1323 51 280
RICK JENSEN . . .447 18 437 17 439 14 1323 49 6.5 - 284
CHARLES BALLARD .447 22 439 12 437 09 1323 43 284
DON NAGEL . . . .446 18 439 13 437 11 1322 42 6.5 - 284
LARRY BARTHOLOME 448 27 443 14 430 10 1321 51 6.5 - 284
SHIRAZ BALOLIA . 446 21 443 16 431 12 1320 49 6.5 - 284
DEAN MORRIS . . .446 27 434 18 438 12 1318 57 6.5 - 284
DAVID GOSNELL . .446 27 434 12 438 12 1318 51 6.5 - 284
DAVID MANN . . . 441 20 438 14 439 13 1318 47 6.5–300 SAUM
JIM FOWLER . . . 446 19 439 18 428 09 1313 46 6.5 - 284
PETER WHITE . . .447 23 437 11 428 12 1312 46 6 BRX
BRET SOLOMON . . 443 21 432 05 436 11 1311 37 300 WM
GARY CHILDS . . .446 17 434 09 430 05 1310 31 6.5 - 284
JOHN BREWER . . .441 22 437 15 431 08 1309 45 6.5 - 284
EARL LIEBETRAU . 444 19 433 13 432 11 1309 43 284
ROBERT MEAD . . .443 25 434 10 429 04 1306 39 6.5 - 284
WALTER LANGE . . 446 23 431 16 425 05 1302 44 ????
OTEY BRYAN . . . 440 14 429 10 433 14 1302 38 6.5 - 284
JIM MURPHY . . . 438 17 428 09 435 11 1301 37 6.5 - 284
KENNY ADAMS . . .439 16 425 08 434 11 1298 35 6.5 - 284
ROBERT BOCK . . .446 23 425 03 427 07 1298 33 6.5 - 284
JOHN CAMPBELL . .439 13 428 06 431 08 1298 27 ????
MATTHEW OWENS . .445 22 417 11 432 11 1294 44 6.5 - 284
ROBERT HOPPE . . 441 20 428 07 419 09 1288 36 ????
LOU MURDICA . . .441 22 424 05 423 06 1288 33 6 PPC
DARREN SUCATO . .438 13 428 06 422 05 1288 24 6 BR
STEVE GERACI . . 438 15 412 05 430 09 1280 29 6.5 - 284
RON HERMS . . . .426 18 417 05 430 12 1273 35 243
MASTER - OPEN MATCH - 4 MATCH - 8 MATCH - 12 MATCH - 13
GERALD TIERNEY . 444 15 438 11 441 16 1323 42 6.5 - 284
BRENDA HILL . . .438 12 437 12 427 07 1302 31 6.5 - 284
LARRY TAITE . . .440 13 424 10 437 16 1301 39 6.5 - 284
EMIL KOVAN . . . 444 15 433 16 423 09 1300 40 6.5 - 284
GEORGE GARDNER . 442 22 429 09 428 06 1299 37 270 WSM
THOMAS PRICE . . 436 10 428 08 434 13 1298 31 ????
HERB EDWARDS . . 439 13 423 18 435 15 1297 46 6.5 - 284
STEVE ZOCK . . . 439 11 424 07 433 09 1296 27 6.5 - 284
NANCY TOMPKINS . 440 17 424 07 428 10 1292 34 6.5 - 284
RICHARD DREGER . 440 19 421 12 428 09 1289 40 7-08
ANDY AMBER . . . 440 19 418 08 430 12 1288 39 6.5 - 284
DAVID BAILEY . . 443 19 419 07 426 08 1288 34 6.5 - 284
RICHARD CURTIS . 437 16 422 14 428 09 1287 39 6.5 - 284
TED CONWAY . . . 443 21 420 08 422 09 1285 38 6.5 - 284
KEITH SKJERDAL . 438 12 422 11 423 08 1283 31 6-250
ANTHONY DUNNE . .427 11 429 16 424 10 1280 37 7 WSM
GARY GAGLIANO . .428 04 421 10 429 08 1278 22 ????
JOE LINEHAN . . .439 14 418 07 418 03 1275 24 7 WSM
MARK ANTARAMIAN .438 10 422 05 414 04 1274 19 6 BR
KARIN LIEBETRAU .433 10 423 07 417 10 1273 27 22 - 250
PAOLO DONISI . . 421 15 420 05 431 11 1272 31 6 BRX
THOMAS MANNERS . 435 11 419 06 417 05 1271 22 6.5 - 284
TOM MCCREA . . . 428 09 414 07 416 04 1258 20 6 XC
DAVID CAUDLE . . 434 13 404 05 417 04 1255 22 6 BR
LES DOLHUN . . . 418 06 405 06 420 09 1243 21 6.5-300WSM
TOM FRIPP . . . .429 08 371 07 429 16 1229 31 6 BR
ERIC BISSON . . .433 13 400 07 285 06 1118 26 6 BRX
JOE MELIA . . . .422 05 320 01 000 00 0742 06 7 WSM
EXPERT - OPEN MATCH - 4 MATCH - 8 MATCH - 12 MATCH - 13
CHRIS CUTHBERT . 445 21 415 07 435 11 1295 39 ????
STEVE LOCKWOOD . 438 12 424 11 433 12 1295 35 6 BR
ERIC KEYES . . . 433 19 427 07 433 12 1293 38 6.5 - 284
GLEN TAYLOR . . .422 14 435 14 432 14 1289 42 284
JACK MCCANN . . .433 14 430 10 422 08 1285 32 ????
WALLY LAURSEN . .436 13 410 06 433 09 1279 28 6 - 284
DEL HEWARD . . . 430 09 414 02 429 10 1273 21 6.5 Creedmoor
LUIS BERNARDEZ . 428 07 411 03 411 02 1250 12 243
TIM REYES . . . .422 10 405 03 421 08 1248 21 308
SCOTT FLECK . . .439 17 405 04 363 06 1207 27 6.5 - 284
ERIC KENNARD . . 428 07 370 05 403 03 1201 15 6.5 - 284
SS/MARKSMAN COMB. MATCH - 4 MATCH - 8 MATCH - 12 MATCH - 13
DEREK RODGERS . .446 24 439 13 445 20 1330 57 300 WSM
JOHN GAINES . . .442 13 416 12 429 12 1287 37 6.5 - 284
DAVID SMITH . . .433 10 411 05 431 10 1275 25 6 XC
BRUCE CONDIE . . 429 13 415 08 424 09 1268 30 6.5 - 284
IAN KELBLY . . . 440 14 426 09 402 05 1268 28 6.5 - 284
ERIC JOHNSON . . 437 16 391 02 289 07 1117 25 6 BR
Terry Perkins
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- Bruce County
The sandbagging comment by Trevor was taken as a joke. He might have been referring to me, or D. Rodgers, or G. Rasmussen. The continued conversation about sandbagging is insulting. I know that none of the three of us consider sandbagging acceptable.
rnbra-shooter
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- New Brunswick
Thanks for clearing that up Terry, I had thought that it was a serious statement of something that happened; glad to hear otherwise.
I was curious though how the classifications were determined - did most of the Canadians have enough shots fired in previous US matches to get a good classification?
Were there any shooters there from a country other than Canada or USA?
Well Done Canada!!! Terry, I'm thrilled with your stellar performance!
I was quite surprised at how the placings ended up. It just goes to show - as Ron Hermes likes to say - "Some days you eat the bear, and some days the bear eats you"
The top Open shooter was a rookie shooting a 300 WSM and 210 grain bullets. It goes to show that heavy 30's are still a force to be reckoned with.
I was quite surprised at how the placings ended up. It just goes to show - as Ron Hermes likes to say - "Some days you eat the bear, and some days the bear eats you"
The top Open shooter was a rookie shooting a 300 WSM and 210 grain bullets. It goes to show that heavy 30's are still a force to be reckoned with.
Kodiak99317
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- Saskatchewan, Canada
He has been shooting FTR for a few yrs, no rookie there. His rifle was not ready so he took out an Open gun he had build and ready (guess that is the key eh, maybe I should have used my 308 barrel, it was ready hummmm) instead. He must have had an existing current poor Open classification of SS or Marksmen in Open. He only dropped 20 points out of 135 shots for score, 4 at 600(45 shoots), 11 at the first 1000 set (45 shots) and then only 5 in Sunday(45 shots, only 8 in FOpen broke 440 that day, even HM-High Masters had problems with the wind switches that day from 1 to 2), for a 1330-57x ... 42.222 % were X's!! out of a possible 1350-135X. Some Very good shooting.
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Hi all, it was an absolute blast! Even with all the crossfires.
I want to take a minute and thank Cody and the people at Milarm Company for sponsoring the PPRA Team with the spiffy shirts. Just wish we had done better......realizing we don't usually get a bunch of practice and development in at -30 in 2 feet of snow. Again, thanks to Cody and Milarmco.
Back to the grind.
Cheers, Glen
I want to take a minute and thank Cody and the people at Milarm Company for sponsoring the PPRA Team with the spiffy shirts. Just wish we had done better......realizing we don't usually get a bunch of practice and development in at -30 in 2 feet of snow. Again, thanks to Cody and Milarmco.
Back to the grind.
Cheers, Glen
