US Interior Department gutting protections for Migratory Birds
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1963beretta
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Those Kermit gifs are funny as hell though....
I guess he's what you'd call a "land-Fudd", which is OK, whereas a plain old Fudd is not?
I forgot the /s in lieu of a sarcasm emoji.
Except this isn't really about private property. The majority of extractive industries are not on private property, they're on public land. Furthermore, even if you own the land YOU DON'T OWN THE WILDLIFE. Wildlife belongs to everyone, and we hold it in trust for future generations.
Don't try and make this about the lowly private land owner, because that's not what this is about. This is about Industry getting to do whatever the hell they want in order to make their CEOs and shareholders rich while the common people get screwed. It's not removing red tape because it's onerous, it's removing red tape because it costs the bottom line of big businesses.
Trump is lining the pockets of his donors, that's it. The rich making the 1% richer while ####ing over the 99%. If Trump is draining the swamp, its to build a swimming pool for his donors and cronies.
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You have just touched on something that always gets my back up. Categorizing political thought into two directions. Since when is anything two dimensional, particularly something as complex as the political spectrum? There is far too much at stake for this type of thought, it is close minded and invites no constructive discussion. When the discussion enters an area you do not like, instead of discussion you retreat and commence with name calling, e.g. left wingers. This allows our political leaders to play you like a violin, tough to watch, and I see it every day. Environmental regulation has no direction and is necessary because people cannot always be trusted to what is right for the planet as a whole, this is particularly true when it comes to financial decisions. If the free for all currently taking place in Texas is not an indication of how people behave with no environmental regs, then nothing will convince you. A bunch of my son's buddies ended up in Texas when FSJ slowed down. They told him it is criminal what is going on. Just the facts.
One industry that has really turned around, at least in Ontario and Quebec, is the gold mining industry. The water returned in the system is cleaner than the water already in the streams. They use sunshine and oxygenation to neutralize the cyanide and settle the metals in settling ponds. But it wasn't like that before regulations were brought in. Several lakes in NE Ontario were completely filled in by tailings. The town of Kirkland Lake is named after the lake. In its natural state, it was probably 5 miles long by 1 mile across. Now, it's basically a pond a few acres across (even though they did dredge up a lot of tailings several years ago. AN absolutely gorgeous lake, Larder Lake, had tailings dumped raw into the lake for over 50 years by one of Canada's largest gold producers. The mine has been shut down for over 20 years and the lake is recovering well. The heavy metals and other pollutants flowed into the Blanche and Larder Rivers, made their way into the Ottawa, down to the St. Lawrence and into the Atlantic. To a certain extent (albeit a tiny one), it affected everyone on the planet. And I don't know if Pikesroad has forgotten about a little place named Chernobyl? So this crap about "my land, and I'll do what I want" is just that - crap. Yes, the government does go overboard, and that is terrible, but environmental regs are a necessity.
Ardent
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Very, very well put. Inflexible thinking and positions are toxic, and the populists are managing to spin folks into considering one issue as a template for all. Single issue voting is the same discussion in another vein.
The thing is, the present administration has absolutely nothing Republican about it. It is the DJT party, period. How any true Republican can endorse him is beyond me. They used to be the conscience of the USA.
This is to my point. Political ideology really should have nothing to do with the science of environmental protection. When business interests trump long term safety of the planet, science needs to lead the way. The discussion seems to always deteriorate into a political football with no relevance to the real facts. Frustrating to watch. Running a country for the good of all is a balancing act between business interests and the people interests. Seems tipped off balance right now. Reagan's administration was a bench mark for anti-unionism and began the long decline of American blue collar. At present less than 5% of US workers are unionized, can't really blame them anymore. The US gave their industrial base away to China as it benefited a certain class. They are now dealing with the out fall of that decision and pointing many fingers. Trump is an indication of what a mess this country is in. He doesn't win this next election there is very real chance he is found guilty on five different charges of tax evasion. Interesting choice.
Fully agree, I only pointed out the Republicans past as I can't help but see the humour in the same people wanting the environmental protections gutted by the GOP also seem to be unde the impression that those protections are a bastion of the DNC. They just aren't if you don't think clean water is important, you're a moron. Full stop.
