US M1 carbine.

[Dr van Nostran]

This is an example of the insanity of the firearms regulations.

Back in the late 1970's when the restricted/SBR rules came in, a small cottage industry started manufacturing 19" barrels for M1 Carbines to avoid registration.

Also, a small industry started in welding extensions and flash hiders on 18" M1 carbine barrels to bring them up to "legal" length.

There was a controversy at the time over whether or not welding took the 18" barrel guns out of the restricted category, and for a time the Attorney General of Alberta said it did.

But the Feds asserted it didn't, and through policy and legal precedent we have arrived at the conclusion that welded extensions and flash hiders do not take M1 Carbines out of the SBR restricted classification.

In the historic confusion over gun laws and regulations that still rules today, tens of thousands of M1 Carbines requiring registration never were registered back in the 70's.

Some of these guns were registered in the 1990's under C-68/LGR as "non restricted" at the time when no verification was required.

RCMP culled some incorrectly registered restricted and prohibited firearms, revoked the registrations and confiscated them before LGR ended, but in the case of 19" M1 Carbines it was logistically impossible to verify each and every one on the registry before it ended.

Thousands of these guns are still out there today, in the possession of owners who honestly believe that they are still "non restricted".

And under the Firearms Act, those owners are criminals - even if they have the firearms license.

But that is the intent of the Firearms Act anyway, to manufacture criminals.

 

[gunsdora]

You are only upset because your little paper above doesn't proove anything. I don't have to call my CFO, I don't own a M1 carbine. Mods, that's all I messaged him, that I don't own a M1 carbine.


Read above one posters experience with CFO's in regards to M1 carbines.

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[fritzhanzel]

Not a watch dog I just thought I would give you a heads up & tell you that you were selling a restricted carbine & tell you why but you did not even check it out you just when't an still sold it as a non restricted carbine . You had no thoughts on a buyer or cared . And you have the ball to tell me in the private email you just sent me that you just send the carbine back to the dealer that you bought the carbine from 2 years ago & he took it back and he said that he is quite confident that the tec at the RCMP is wrong. And you said to me that honestly you don't care. That is all this site needs is more guys like you.

You can twist my words but as per gunnutz rules you are not allowed to post PM's in the forum.

 

[fritzhanzel]

thanks for the insight

This is an example of the insanity of the firearms regulations.

Back in the late 1970's when the restricted/SBR rules came in, a small cottage industry started manufacturing 19" barrels for M1 Carbines to avoid registration.

Also, a small industry started in welding extensions and flash hiders on 18" M1 carbine barrels to bring them up to "legal" length.

There was a controversy at the time over whether or not welding took the 18" barrel guns out of the restricted category, and for a time the Attorney General of Alberta said it did.

But the Feds asserted it didn't, and through policy and legal precedent we have arrived at the conclusion that welded extensions and flash hiders do not take M1 Carbines out of the SBR restricted classification.

In the historic confusion over gun laws and regulations that still rules today, tens of thousands of M1 Carbines requiring registration never were registered back in the 70's.

Some of these guns were registered in the 1990's under C-68/LGR as "non restricted" at the time when no verification was required.

RCMP culled some incorrectly registered restricted and prohibited firearms, revoked the registrations and confiscated them before LGR ended, but in the case of 19" M1 Carbines it was logistically impossible to verify each and every one on the registry before it ended.

Thousands of these guns are still out there today, in the possession of owners who honestly believe that they are still "non restricted".

And under the Firearms Act, those owners are criminals - even if they have the firearms license.

But that is the intent of the Firearms Act anyway, to manufacture criminals.

 

[johnsamp]

Can anyone post a link to an update that clearly supersedes the '92 brochure?
It should clarify interpetation of above opinions, cut and dried.
If the brochure is law, it should support all with a welded rifled extension?

PS: My M1 carbine has a one piece barrel 19-1/2" in length. As such, I have no horse in this race, but find the Devil is in the details..

 

[fritzhanzel]

I purchased an inland carbine about a year ago with a welded barrel extension from a very reputable dealer. They assured me it was still classed as non restricted (as they'd checked it out with the CFO) and provided written conformation to that effect. What the local RCMP would do if it was inspected is anyone's guess....

Interesting, basically legal in BC and restricted in NB. Nice, Good to know. I had a M1 carbine with weld on extention inspected by the local BC-RCMP (among others), they didn't say a bleep.