US M1917 Eddystone value - lots of pics

myenfield

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While I try my best to never sell anything, I have been a little too ambitious in my buying lately and need to raise some funds. I have been thinking about selling an Eddystone M1917 that has been living in my gun room for a few years. I don't really collect US stuff, but this was so nice I couldn't pass it up. I have 2 questions about this rifle. First, is this a near new rifle from original production or is it one of the US military arsenal reworks I have read about? It doesn't show any signs of use other than handling dings in the wood and all the parts I can see have the E marking from Eddystone. The bore looks excellent. I am not sure what to look for to confirm if it is a rework. Second, what is a realistic price to expect to get for it here in Canada? Thanks in advance for everyone's input.

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How to tell a WWII re-work? I have one here - it has rather prominent stampings on left side of stock - below about where the rear sight is - in my case a fainter "AA" and then very strong "AAO", which I believe indicates an overhaul at Augusta (Georgia) Arsenal. From various references, there were a number of arsenals in several states doing that overhaul. Again, in my case, the barrel is by "HS" - High Standard - one of two or three WWII contractors that made barrels for those re-builds - "JA - Johnson Automatic" was another barrel contractor - not sure of the third one. I suppose that it is possible that a WWI era barrel survived to WWII - it was apparently the lousy storage during the 20's and 30's that caused many of those rifle bores to deteriorate.

Is a bit important - this is an "R" marked stock, with an Eddystone receiver and an "HS" barrel. Barrels, for some years, were available as surplus. So the piece that I have could have been an arsenal rebuild at beginning of WWII, or could have been put together at someone's workshop 65 years later, if he could find some parts.

Some one more knowledgeable will no doubt clarify about the finish - I think that the overhaul resulted in every single metal part being "re-finished" - so not the same metal finish as when they left factory during WWI.

If you go to m1903.com, find the left side title for M1917 parts - click on it - a list will come up - click on a part name and a sketch will pop up for that part and show you where "E", "R" or "W" were supposed to put their stamps on that part - is not the same place, at all, for some pieces, and many marks are not visible unless the parts are removed from the rifle - in several cases the maker's mark is against the wood, or against the partner metal part, or in the case of sling swivels, some are on the side of the sling eye - inside the swivel base "ears". I have an upper band with "E" where it is supposed to be, then a correctly place "W", and something unreadable where the "R" was supposed to be - it never left any factory or re-build like that.

To claim your rifle to be "all matching", would require complete dismantling into all 80 or so pieces, and assure that they indeed do all have the matching "E" stamp - including the three wood pieces. I have several magazine springs - even they got an "E" or "R" or "W" at the bottom near the toe. Apparently screws and coil springs, and pins do not have a maker mark on them.

Another book here documents the inspector numbers that are found behind the eagle head stamp - who was at which arsenal for what months of production. You can see no. "89" on your safety and no. "21" on your stock - immediately behind the eagle heads - you would have to look that up and see where Inspector 89 and 21 were posted when the rifle was put together / when the parts were made.

Many parts are exactly the same as from a P14, or some parts are identical to the same part in a Lee Enfield No. 1 (sling swivels) or No. 4 (front sight inserts) - interchange perfectly, but the markings will be wrong. One of the M1917's I have came with a P14 front sight insert - fits and works perfectly - identical to the correct one - just had wrong markings on it - i would not have known until grunge and old grease were cleaned off the top of it to show the P14 markings. As per more than one reference here, was not that unusual for stampings to be missed for some runs of some parts - so end up with a collection of "unmarked" parts - no maker mark at all - no eagle head, either - so could be P14 parts - I have no way to know, but "unmarked" is not "matching", in my opinion.

Was a USA military thing - the bolts did NOT get serial numbers. Any M1917 that went to Britain or Canada did get serial numbers added when received, so no serial number is correct for a bolt in a rifle that was the property of the USA military until sold for surplus.

I can not really help about what you might get for selling it - pretty much between you and a buyer, I guess. Likely comes down to what you know; what buyer knows; how badly buyer wants it; etc.

A picture of the AAO stamping, and the fainter "AA" stamping, once I had removed the varnish that a previous owner had applied:

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From what I can see that is a 100% legit original example of an Eddystone. I'm guessing if you check internals they will all be marked with an E. Yes the finish should be blue. The re-works would have been parkerized. I'm in the States and that rifle would go for $1200.00 and up US. I have no idea what in Canada. Wish I could buy it.
 
myenfield: A surprising number of M1907's sold at the latest two Switzer's auctions so that might be a place to start for a value. There are some unissued or very lightly used Eddystones out there and you appear to have one. I have one in similar condition but later barrel date and with the parkerizing that they used in the final production.

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Thanks for the helpful responses so far. I generally try to stay away from gun auction sites but I will take a look and see what I can find.
 
When pursuing auction prices to establish value - find out how much more than the "sold" price did the buyer pay, as "buyer premiums", and how much less than "sold" price did the seller receive, after "seller fees" were deducted. The "sold" price is a bit misleading to most - the auction house took their cut out of the middle - usually from both the buyer and the seller. How much went to auction house seems to vary with the action place, total value sold, etc., but often amounts to 25% to 30% or so of the "sold" price.
 
I didn't figure a US M1917 would be in super high demand in Canada. If this were a Long Branch in the same condition it would be an entirely different story. Like I mentioned earlier, even though I collect Canadian and Commonwealth I couldn't pass this one up at the time since it is a WWI rifle in near new condition. I am going to have to think pretty hard whether this one goes or not. I have some other stuff that has made it to the short list to possibly go, so we'll see what happens.
 
There were a lot of mint 1917 3006 sold in the early 1970's by Century
They were US lend lease in the grease , mostly unissued condition , as the British didn't issue a lot of them because they were 3006
 
I am not familiar with the "match barrel" part - where does that information come from??

And, just to clarify some spelling - from Wikipedia, "The Sirius Dog Sled Patrol, first known as the North-East Greenland Sledge Patrol, ..." founded in 1941... My understanding is those folks were elite Denmark Navy type dudes - out in the boonies as a pair, in the mostly dark, on the glaciers - with the dogs... Apparently musk-ox bulls were a particular hazard - why a specific round as the middle one in their 5 round "stripper clips".
 
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The Danish surplus M1917s were being imported and sold 30 plus years ago. I bought several complete with the Danish targetting sticker. Mine were Remington and Winchesters with the original barrels. I don't know where the "match barrel" idea came from. I'd be interested to know how these "match barrels" are marked.
 
I have one of these and I bought it in 1975 and this is the first time I ever was shown where all these different marks on it were. If I got $75 bucks for it I would more then double my money on it. I still have the receipt for the $35 bucks I paid for it. The barrel on mine says 9-18 so its a month older then the one shown here .
 
The Danish surplus M1917s were being imported and sold 30 plus years ago. I bought several complete with the Danish targetting sticker. Mine were Remington and Winchesters with the original barrels. I don't know where the "match barrel" idea came from. I'd be interested to know how these "match barrels" are marked.

Some good info here on the Danish M/53-17, they did make replacement VAR barrels for some of them, those were considered very accurate.
https://wwiiafterwwii.wordpress.com/2015/07/24/m1917-rifle-in-21st-century-greenland/amp/
 
Its not surprising that the Danes made their own M1917 replacement barrels. They also made the VAR replacement barrels for their M1 Garands. The VAR Garand barrels have an excellent reputation for accuracy.
 
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