Usable range of Enfield #5 Jungle Carbine?
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When I hunted in saskatchewan from 0-100 yds I used a Jungle carbine in the bush. From 100-500 yds I used a scoped Remington M788 in .308 w/ a BDC. I was never happy with the zero on my Jungle carbine and I got the impression that it had a tendency to wander.
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I used to tag along with an old trapper every fall, he shot several large moose using his 303 from about 225 yards. Poor fellow suffered a brain aneurism and stroke about a week after the last trip we took. He survived but is paralyzed on one side and can't speak clearly. I still bring him game every year.
I've heard the Jungle Carbine is not as accurate as other Enfields, but I bet its more than accurate enough for that kind of range.
I've heard the Jungle Carbine is not as accurate as other Enfields, but I bet its more than accurate enough for that kind of range.
You do hear a lot of people trash talk the accuracey of these rifles. IMHO no they're definitely not the best in the accuracy dept. Built more for realiability. Mine prints about 3" with the right ammo at 100 yds though with the battle sights which isn't too bad all things considered. 200 yd gun tops for me.
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What is the usable range of a No.5 Jungle Carbine? According to Salty - 200yds it is.
Scoped or iron sights? Your range is the maximum distance you and your best ammunition will group inside a 10" circle. That was the rule of thumb taught to me by my hunter educator mentor Frank McLeod in Regina. Ten inches being the general size of a deer's vital organs.
Scoped or iron sights? Your range is the maximum distance you and your best ammunition will group inside a 10" circle. That was the rule of thumb taught to me by my hunter educator mentor Frank McLeod in Regina. Ten inches being the general size of a deer's vital organs.
Oh and to post whore a little more, if you have a No 1 mk 5 that hasn't been drilled and tapped pls don't do it. They're worth more than you might think even incomplete, but not if they're irreversabley bubba'd. And they're a great piece of history.,
You know, I don't think my old friend ever worried about minute of angle stuff. What was important for him was to hit the kill zone with the first shot. He was raised on a trapline and is an old Vet.. He swore by his 303, and it kept him fed for years.
I know a number of guys who can't shoot 3" groups with much better rifles and yet successfully harvest moose every year. I don't know that any of them have ever caused a moose to suffer in an inhumane manner. Those guys never shoot beyond 200 yards and a moose heart is a pretty big target.
Personally, I wouldn't use a 303, never mind a Jungle Carbine, but I know that they can do the job out to reasonable ranges.
I know a number of guys who can't shoot 3" groups with much better rifles and yet successfully harvest moose every year. I don't know that any of them have ever caused a moose to suffer in an inhumane manner. Those guys never shoot beyond 200 yards and a moose heart is a pretty big target.
Personally, I wouldn't use a 303, never mind a Jungle Carbine, but I know that they can do the job out to reasonable ranges.
My No5 was very accurate. Mine was scoped to get the full potential of it's accuracy.
I coud easily make small groups with it, groups that most guys would be happy with for thier modern rifles. 1"-1.5" at 100 was the NORM.
I posted pics here of the gorups, with 5 different loads, some factory, some handloads....They were all consistently accurate groups, and all the completley differnt loads fell into the same general area ont he target.
They did not wander..
The #1 reason I have found for aqccuracy problems with SMLE's is that hier bores haven't been properly cleaned.
I have had several in front of me that shot like ####, and when I introduced CR-10 or WIPEOUT to thier bores, they shot like a dream.
Kinda sad I sold that JC, but truly, I am happy that it is out there being used by someone, rather thancollecting dust in my safe.
I coud easily make small groups with it, groups that most guys would be happy with for thier modern rifles. 1"-1.5" at 100 was the NORM.
I posted pics here of the gorups, with 5 different loads, some factory, some handloads....They were all consistently accurate groups, and all the completley differnt loads fell into the same general area ont he target.
They did not wander..
The #1 reason I have found for aqccuracy problems with SMLE's is that hier bores haven't been properly cleaned.
I have had several in front of me that shot like ####, and when I introduced CR-10 or WIPEOUT to thier bores, they shot like a dream.
Kinda sad I sold that JC, but truly, I am happy that it is out there being used by someone, rather thancollecting dust in my safe.
I had one,that I bought from "Mark Jesse" @ The Adventure Store in Comox('92),At the time,I had NO idea of the famed wandering zero? With a box of 150gr Win.Super X bullets It dropped me 1 black bear and 3 blacktails,with only one afternoon of sighting in.
Like Gatehouse said "Kinda sad I sold that JC, but truly, I am happy that it is out there being used by someone, rather thancollecting dust in my safe."
Like Gatehouse said "Kinda sad I sold that JC, but truly, I am happy that it is out there being used by someone, rather thancollecting dust in my safe."
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I would not hesitate to shoot at a deer at 250 with an iron sighted No.5
as long as it was zeroed and was a consitant shooter.
I tend to practice a lot in practical shooting positions with my hunting rifles
and this sometimes makes a big diiference in how far a person is confident in shooting an animal.
Cat
as long as it was zeroed and was a consitant shooter.
I tend to practice a lot in practical shooting positions with my hunting rifles
and this sometimes makes a big diiference in how far a person is confident in shooting an animal.
Cat
Just to clarify a few points from an Enfield-o-phile...
A Jungle Carbine is a No5MkI rifle. Wandering zero is a myth, propagated by British troops becuase they were envious of American Garands, and wanted new rifles in the 50's.
A NoI rifle is a SMLE... No4 and No5 rifles are not. If anyone does see a No1MkV, please buy it for me, as there were only about 20,000 of them made as intermediate troop trials rifles between the World Wars - A step between the No1 and No4 rifles.
A No4 rifle was rated as being "effective" to 550 yards by the Canadian Army, in the hands of the average soldier, aiming at man-sized targets (as is common in battle, I am told).
I would suspect that the effective range of the rifle has a lot more to do with who is behind the trigger, rather than the particular firearm in question. For me, thus, effective range of the No5 would be about 100 yards!
I will, however, happily put my No4Mk2 up against any old Remchester in 7mmSupershortmansyndromemagnum on the target range, any day!
Flame suit on - Danger close: Fire for effect!
Neal
A Jungle Carbine is a No5MkI rifle. Wandering zero is a myth, propagated by British troops becuase they were envious of American Garands, and wanted new rifles in the 50's.
A NoI rifle is a SMLE... No4 and No5 rifles are not. If anyone does see a No1MkV, please buy it for me, as there were only about 20,000 of them made as intermediate troop trials rifles between the World Wars - A step between the No1 and No4 rifles.
A No4 rifle was rated as being "effective" to 550 yards by the Canadian Army, in the hands of the average soldier, aiming at man-sized targets (as is common in battle, I am told).
I would suspect that the effective range of the rifle has a lot more to do with who is behind the trigger, rather than the particular firearm in question. For me, thus, effective range of the No5 would be about 100 yards!
I will, however, happily put my No4Mk2 up against any old Remchester in 7mmSupershortmansyndromemagnum on the target range, any day!
Flame suit on - Danger close: Fire for effect!
Neal
I have the 300-600 flip sights
I can only conclude that no firearms manufacturer in the history of man has ever had more blind and unlimited faith in the abilitites of its target market than those who produced LE's
Buuut - they were designed for 'volley fire' at those ranges. I don't think anyone actually expected the average guy to hit another guy at 500 yards with any consistancy using those sights - but 50 guys shooting at 50 other guys might very well do some real damage.
As to range - the guys have told you right. Just in case you're a 'math' lover, with 180 grain federals, dial in for a 200 yard zero and you're only dropping about 5 inches at 250, with enough energy to kill a moose cleanly. (bout 1500 ft/lbs). You will never be higher than 3 inches above your LOS with that - so basically anything out to 200+ just point and shoot, you're in the breadbasket if you do your job. that assumes a muzzle velocity of about 2460.
If you want to streach it a little further, drop to 150's and maybe see how that hornady light mag works in your gun (but it won't work as well as it should with the shorter barrel).
I have A JC , the front sight sucks on mine . max range for me would be 100 yards . Add a scope and more no problem .
Salty , I'm thinkin on adding a scope , been trying to sell it and no one wants it for $200.00 plus freight .
Come on , save this gun , and me the time to scope it .
Salty , I'm thinkin on adding a scope , been trying to sell it and no one wants it for $200.00 plus freight .
Come on , save this gun , and me the time to scope it .
