USGI M14 Parts - Anybody's #### fall off yet?

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With all the M14's from KommieLand arriving... and the piles of new M14 owners on our MBR forum here... anybody's #### fall off from not rushing out to buy M14 USGI parts (yet) ?? :runaway:

They are rather scarce and getting more scarce as time marches on, but frankly we seem to be faring well without replacing too many chinese kommunist parts. :dancingbanana:

What say you ?

Barney
 
100's upon 100's of rounds without 1 FTF.:wave:

edit: also, although it doesnt' see nearly as much action as my norky m14, my #### appears intact.
 
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Im very happy with mine, very little mods done to it.

Just a new stock, op rod, rear sight and a muzzle break that I will get in the near future.

The only things that bother me is the original finish and the cromoly gas piston, as soon as it see humidity it rust in place.

Edit: Willy is still there, at his place.
 
I've only replaced the stock so far and nothing has fallen off either the gun or me. Of course once I buy the second one I plan to do some tinkering with it. :D
 
Hungry ...
I've still got most of my #### left ...
However, this is probably because,
whenever screwing around with Chinese M-14 clones,
I always put safety first.
[And no, I did NOT name my #### "safety".]

With EVERY Chinese I get, I ALWAYS swap in a USGI recoil spring .. but this is more for reliability than safety. No #### shortening potential here.
BUT,
I ALWAYS check the headspace and left bolt lug engagement and firing pin /receiver bridge timing of EVERY Chinese that goes through my hands.

And for good measure, I'll check to see if the barrel is still held on by "DRAW" rather than just dangling there by the little ol set screw.

I could tell you horrible stories of potentially #### shortening issues I have discovered doing this. However, this was mostly with the old [OLD ] Chinese clones. The original SHINY Norincos and Polytechs had, IMHO, about 1/3 of their bolts way too soft, and also had the left lug cut wrong. Also discovered one Chinese Norinco receiver so hard, it SHATTERED when dropped off a 3 ft high work bench onto a concret floor [ don't ask ].

The new ones I've seen have improved significantly on bolt hardness, and left bolt lug fit.
BUT,
on most of the brand new Norincos I've checked recently, headspace is still way more than .308 NO GO and sometimes even more than 7.62 NATO NO GO. Of course, if used ONLY with NATO spec BALL ammo, this headspace will probably be safe.
Probably.
Most likely

Which is why I usually end up throwing in a GI bolt.
Just to make sure my #### retains it's magnificent original dimensions.

As usual. YMMV.
[;{)
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Lazerus2000 said:
Hungry ...
I've still got most of my #### left ...
However, this is probably because,
whenever screwing around with Chinese M-14 clones,
I always put safety first.
[And no, I did NOT name my #### "safety".]

With EVERY Chinese I get, I ALWAYS swap in a USGI recoil spring .. but this is more for reliability than safety. No #### shortening potential here.
BUT,
I ALWAYS check the headspace and left bolt lug engagement and firing pin /receiver bridge timing of EVERY Chinese that goes through my hands.

And for good measure, I'll check to see if the barrel is still held on by "DRAW" rather than just dangling there by the little ol set screw.

I could tell you horrible stories of potentially #### shortening issues I have discovered doing this. However, this was mostly with the old [OLD ] Chinese clones. The original SHINY Norincos and Polytechs had, IMHO, about 1/3 of their bolts way too soft, and also had the left lug cut wrong. Also discovered one Chinese Norinco receiver so hard, it SHATTERED when dropped off a 3 ft high work bench onto a concret floor [ don't ask ].

The new ones I've seen have improved significantly on bolt hardness, and left bolt lug fit.
BUT,
on most of the brand new Norincos I've checked recently, headspace is still way more than .308 NO GO and sometimes even more than 7.62 NATO NO GO. Of course, if used ONLY with NATO spec BALL ammo, this headspace will probably be safe.
Probably.
Most likely

Which is why I usually end up throwing in a GI bolt.
Just to make sure my #### retains it's magnificent original dimensions.



As usual. YMMV.
[;{)
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I might have to get a bolt now, scary ####.
 
Simon,
sorry,
did NOT mean to scare anybody unnecessarily about "ol demon headspace".
Excessive headpsace in the Chinese M-14 rifles is epidemic, and so far not too many dicks have actually fallen off.

To put this in perspective, I've seen a NORC M-14 rifle with headspace measured at .028" over .308 GO, that functioned reliably with NATO SPEC 7.62 BALL AMMO. And it was damned accurate too!

In one case I personally know of, the shooter had to remember to keep turning the barrel back in after every ten shots or so, and still, no dicks fell off. It took me over a year to convice this yahoo that he had a problem, and let me fit a different Chinese barrel back into his M-14, and still he didn't qualify for a Darwin award.
Go figger?

The design of the M-14 IS inherently safe, and headspace is often overrated as a safety issue, but for my personal firearms, I like it tight.
Which is why I like to use the GI bolts in Chinese rifles ... they usually re-set headspace to .308 GO or close to it.
as usual,
YMMV
 
Funny thing is that when I bought my M305 shorty (the RIFLE is the short barreled unit thank you very much!) the only USGI part on it was a flash hider with bayonet lug that had been modified to work with the shorter barrel - and it fell off on the second shot I took! :D
 
Simon said:
Im very happy with mine, very little mods done to it.

The only things that bother me is the original finish and the cromoly gas piston, as soon as it see humidity it rust in place.
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Is a USGI Stainless Steel Gas Piston a direct swap?

I haven't seen much info. on this part or any benefits of replacing it. Anyone done this? :confused:
 
squig808 said:
Is a USGI Stainless Steel Gas Piston a direct swap?

I haven't seen much info. on this part or any benefits of replacing it. Anyone done this? :confused:
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I think Norc and USGI piston cant be swapped.

You have to change to a USGI gas assy, that means you have to get a USGI barrel too because norc ones are metric. Better get a USGI bolt headspaced if you get a new barrel.
 
Pistons are not interchangeable in gas systems, gas systems are not interchangeable on barrels. All or nothing in either the USGI or Norinco barrel systems. The only thing that is the same is the thread on the barrel that connects with the receiver.
 
Thus far my tackle is where it belongs, though I have a GI trigger group and FH assembly that I can slap on the rifle at the first sign of penile disengagement!
 
Simon said:
I think Norc and USGI piston cant be swapped.

You have to change to a USGI gas assy, that means you have to get a USGI barrel too because norc ones are metric. Better get a USGI bolt headspaced if you get a new barrel.
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Actually the gas assembly doesn't screw on. It slides on and then is held in place with the gas cylinder lock. Don't see why you would need to rebarrel to replace the assembly, just keep the Chinese lock, then shim it to fit properly if necessary.
 
BigUglyMan said:
Thus far my tackle is where it belongs, though I have a GI trigger group and FH assembly that I can slap on the rifle at the first sign of penile disengagement!
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Somebody buy that trigger group and FH ASAP - this may be our only chance to keep our daughters safe!! :eek:
 
Actually,
the Chinese gas assemblies and the GI gas assemblies will sort of interchange.
SORT OF!
The GI Gas assemblies are Stainless Steel, and the bore diameter, if not worn too much, is slightly under what ever metric equivalent the Chinese aimed for.

The Chinese gas assemblies use CHROME inside the bore, and on the piston.

The Chinese Gas assemblies vary considerably in internal bore diameter, even when new. The Chinese gas assemblies and barrels also vary considerably in external dimensions. You may find a Chinese gas assmbly that fits nicely on your GI barrel, and vice versa. You might need to do a bit of filing or peening to ease the fit , or tighten it.

You may also find a small Chinese piston that fits nicely inside a sloppy GI gas cylinder bore.

HOWEVER,
the gas cylinder plugs WILL NOT INTERCHANGE ... the threads are different. Actually, they will start in, and if BUBBA used a big enough wrench, and enough NEVERSIEZE, it might even screw all the way in ... but this would NOT be a good thing.

I've BTDT a few times with this,
But as usual.
YMMV,
[;{)
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